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Oh, that's both interesting and sad, Esther. I hope you can reassure your mother that there is hardly anyone who hasn't got some family traumas and scandals in their ancestry. It isn't anything for her to be ashamed of personally. People struggled with life in ways we don't always understand nowadays. Your grandma married just after the war, a lot of people married in haste then, and it didn't work out.

But your mother has clearly found out things she would rather have not, perhaps, so I think we understand that you don't want to delve any more right now. Come back if you do in the future.

Best wishes to you and your mum.

Margaret

My mum was able to get in contact with a lady that knew Joan and Cyril well.
She explained why on the marriage cert his age and the date was wrong and lots of other family secrets regarding this marriage and Cyril's swift departure.
Some of these revelations were quite upsetting to my mother so I think I'll be closing this chapter of our family history for now.

I'd like to thank everyone that has helped find records for me, it's filled in a lot of pieces, thank you so much.

Best wishes

Esther

oops, sorry about the Briscoe. That was Joans name from her second marriage. Her maiden name was Protheroe.

The marriage for Cyril and Joan was deffinately 11/03/1949. I wonder why it's coming up in the 3rd quarter of the year?

I can't find another marriage either and there appears to be just one child from this marriage.

Christine

I dont think so there is'nt a Briscoe marriage anyway

jax

That's why I wondered if she'd made a mistake, also in the 1st post Esther you said her name was Briscoe but this marriage is Protheroe.

Do we have the wrong marriage?

Christine

But that was'nt in march as you said earlier christine

jax

Jax, I presumed this was the marriage Esther was talking about.

Name: Cyril Short
Spouse Surname: Protheroe
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1949
Registration district: Manchester
Registration county (inferred): Lancashire
Volume Number: 10e
Page Number: 926
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Joan Protheroe Short Jul-Aug-Sep 1949 Manchester Lancashire

Christine

Who's marriage Esther?

No, thats the date from the original marriage cert.

The marriage was registered 3rd qtr 1949, have you made a mistake with the date of 11th March?


Christine

No, I didn't find any births either. The death cert of Marion would give an exact date, it could be early January. But it doesn't hide the fact that your grandparernt got married pretty soon after, and it doesn't tell us why. We may never know.

Margaret

Ive just realised, Marions death cert says she died March 1949 and my grandma and grandad were married 11th March 1949!!

I wonder what was going on!

Ok, thanks for looking.
I wonder why he got married so soon after? Sadly they only stayed together 4 years.

No births showing for Short and Duffett Esther

jax

As far as I know he didnt have any children from his first mariage, or if he did Joan never told my mum about them.

Is there anyway of finding out if he had any other children?

I have found that in cases where men or women were widowed and they had young children, then they tended to get married again very quickly......a case of needs must!! Quite often there were only a few months between burying one and getting married again.

Ah, I am with it. Yes, he re-married swiftly. I wonder what his wife died of, maybe it was a long illness and Joan helped to nurse her.

cyril short was born 1903 Marion Duffett 1st wife born 1909 i was comparing the marion short death with this birth sorry did'nt explain properly I have edited it now

jax

Jax, am I potty? Cyril Short wasn't born till 1909, so his wife Marion Duffet wouldn't have died then. I assume my Marion Short died 1949 is better.

Have I missed something?

Margaret