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After finding rellies in the 1911 census, I'm now trying to identify the early families.

I have Joseph Keen b c1785 in Oxfordshire married to Sarah Batson b c 1790 Oxfordshire.

Their son John Keen was born 1814 Sibford Ferris and may have married Ann Spicer b 1832 Sibford Gower. In 1841 he lived in Banbury and in 1851 in Sibford Gower.

Their daughter Jane Keen was born 19.1.1851 in Sibford Gower and married John Rogers the blacksmith in Sandford Shropshire, where they lived in 1881.
Don't know any more about the Keens apart from the 1911 census listings, but they don't tell me who belongs to who.

Can anyone please look for any more children in the 1841, 51, or 61 census?

I wonder what all that's about, the deaf and dumb? How sad.

Thank you for your help, somersetgirl.

My helper has deleted her posts after asking if it was ok.

After the free session of Ancestry this weekend I'm even more confused, but seem to have a few extra bits sorted.

I have the birth cert for Jane Keen on 19.1. 1851, her parents are John Keen and Ann formerly Spicer. The family are from Sibford Ferris or Sibford Gower, in Oxfordshire, there are many of them with the same names.

I thought I had found a marriage for this couple some time ago, but can't find it now.
So that's on the list for looking.

From the GRO listing I found they had 3 children, Jane 1851, George 1853, and William (John?) 1855.

I've just found an 1871 census for Ann, with a new family transcribed as 'Sones', but I think it shoud be Lines. She married Thomas Lines in Banbury in Q2 1861 and had more children. Saban 1860, Rhoda 1863, Mary A 1864, Thomas 1866, Edward 1868, Alice 1870 and Herbert 1873. Her son William is living with them in 1871. Daughter Jane has married and moved away.

Would anyone kindly look for the censuses after that so I can trace the family forwards, especially Ann.

Name: Ann Lines
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Registration Year: 1896
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Banbury
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 527

1871
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

School House, Sibford Ferris, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Lines Head - Male 66 1805 - Oxfordshire, England
Ann Lines Wife - Female 39 1832 - Oxfordshire, England
Laban Lines Son - Male 11 1860 - Oxfordshire, England
Rhoda Lines Daughter - Female 8 1863 - Oxfordshire, England
Mary A Lines Daughter - Female 7 1864 - Oxfordshire, England
Thomas Lines Son - Male 5 1866 - Oxfordshire, England
Edward Lines Son - Male 3 1868 - Oxfordshire, England
Alice Lines Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Oxfordshire, England
William Keen Wife's Son - Male 15 1856 - Oxfordshire, England

rhoda 1881
Crockwell House, Canons Ashby, Daventry, Northamptonshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Ivens Head Married Male 47 1834 Farmer 400 Acres 9 Men 5 Boys Wroxton, Oxfordshire, England
M A Ivens Wife Married Female 48 1833 Farmers Wife Warnford, Warwickshire, England
John Richd Ivens Son Single Male 17 1864 Farmers Son Northamptonshire, England
Jon Edmund Ivens Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Northamptonshire, England
Caroline M Ivens Daughter Single Female 7 1874 Scholar Northamptonshire, England
Marian Ivens Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Northamptonshire, England
Sarah Dancer Nurse Widow Female 65 1816 - Ireland
William Paxton Servant Single Male 19 1862 Farm Servant Claydon, Warwickshire, England
Rodah Lines Servant Single Female 19 1862 Dairy Servant (Ag Lab) Oxfordshire, England -----------------------
Ann Ward Servant Single Female 14 1867 Domestic Servant Hinton, Northamptonshire, England

Name: Alice Lines
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Registration Year: 1871
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Banbury
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 473

Could this be the marriage you're looking for?

https://www.freebmd.org.uk
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)

Boyes Joseph Banbury 16 63
French Ann Banbury 16 63
Glanvill Martha Banbury 16 63
Hughes Emma Banbury 16 63
Jones John Banbury 16 63
Keene John Banbury 16 63 <<<<<
Mold John Banbury 16 63
Spicer Angelina Banbury 16 63 <<<<<<

thomas jnr 1881
Thomas A. Lines

Name: Thomas A. Lines
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Sibford, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Swalcliffe Sibford Gower
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Street address: Handy Water
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Farm Serv (Indoor)
Registration district: Banbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors:
Piece: 1525
Folio: 47
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac Padbury 47
Hannah Padbury 47
George Padbury 18
Thomas A. Lines 15

LINES, AMOS THOMAS SPICER
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 03A Page 640

Name: Thomas Amos Lines
Gender: Male
Age: 72
Birth Date: abt 1866
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 8 Oct 1938
Death Place: York, Ontario, Canada
Father: Thomas Lines
Mother: Ann Spiar

Name: Amos S Lines
Age: 28
Birth Year: abt 1871
Birth Place: England
Marriage Date: 3 May 1899
Marriage Place: York, Ontario, Canada
Father: Thomas Lines
Mother: Ann Lines
Spouse: Victoria A Fraser

1911
Name: Thomas Lines
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Race or Tribe: English
Age: 44
Birth Date: Dec 1866
Birth Place: England
Census Year: 1911
Relation to Head of House: Head
Immigration Year: 1884
Province: Ontario
District: Toronto West
District Number: 128
Sub-District: 143 - Ward 6
Sub-District Number: 143
Place of Habitation: 93 Westmorland Ave
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lines 44
Victoria Lines 40
William George Lines 10
Charles E Lines 9
Olive B Lines 7
Francis Pouel Lines 19days
Catharine Frunk 19

Name: Amos T. Lines
Year of Record: 1884
Source/Event: Passenger List: Port of Halifax
Comments: Arrived on the 'Parisian'
Age: 18
Reference: National Archives of Canada: Microfilm Reel No. C-4512 page 8

Name: Annos T Lines
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 18
Birth Year: abt 1866
Departure Port: Liverpool, England
Arrival Date: 5 Apr 1884
Arrival Port: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada; Portland, Maine, USA
Vessel: Parisian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Parisian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Marriage doesn't look right, the birth cert for Jane Keen in 1851 says John Keen and Ann (Spicer).
I had a marriage recorded from somewhere, but can't find it now.

EDWARD
1881
?, Sibford-Ferris, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ann Lines Head Widow Female 49 1832 Lab Widow Oxfordshire, England
Edward Lines Son Single Male 13 1868 Ag Lab Oxfordshire, England
Herbert Lines Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Oxfordshire, England

That's very interesting maddie, thank you!

MARY
1881
Name: Mary A. Lines
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Sibford Ferris, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Leamington Priors
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 39 Russell Terrace
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Warwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors:
Piece: 3094
Folio: 33
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Eleanor Horley 55
Julia Horley 52
Thomas R. Horley 23
Harriett Smith 23
Mary A. Lines 18

LOOKS LIKE RHODA AGED 2O AND EDWARD AGED 15 TRAVELLING TOGETHER

Name: Edward Lines
Gender: Male
Arrival Age: 15
Birth Year: abt 1867
Departure Port: Liverpool, England; Londonderry, Ireland
Arrival Date: 26 Jun 1882
Arrival Port: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Vessel: Circassian
Search Ship Database: Search for the Circassian in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' databas

Name: Rhoda Lines
Gender: Female
Race: English
Age: 84
Birth Date: 4 May 1862
Birth Place: England
Death Date: 28 Aug 1946
Death Place: Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada
Father: Nk Lines
Mother: Nk Lines
Certificate Number: 023776
Reference Number: RG 80-08-0-2495

1891
Name: Ann Lines
Gender: Female
Marital status: Widowed
Age: 58
Birth Year: abt 1833
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head-of-house: Head
Religion: Church of England
French Canadian: No
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Province: Ontario
District Number: 132
District: York West
Subdistrict: York West
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Lines 58
Rhoda Lines 28

1901
Name: Rhoda Lines
Gender: Female
Marital status: Single
Age: 38
Birth Day & Month: 4 May
Birth Year: 1862
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Maid
Immigration Year: 1882
Racial or Tribal Origin: English
Nationality: Canadian
Religion: Church Of England
Occupation: Cook
Province: Ontario
District: Toronto (west/ouest) (city/cité)
District Number: 118
Sub-District: Toronto (West/Ouest) (City/Cité) Ward/Quartier No 5
Sub-District Number: D-10
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
J Grant Redout 56
Charlotte Redout 87
Alice M Redout 26
Rhoda Lines

Name: Edward Lines
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1867
Death Age: 33
Death Date: 6 Dec 1900
Death Location: Victoria
Registration Number: 1900-09-013945
BCA Number: B13079
GSU Number: 1927289

Name: Edward Lines
Birth Date: 1867
Birth Place: Oxford, City of Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Death Date: 6 Dec 1900
Death Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
Cemetery: Ross Bay Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
Has Bio?: N
Spouse: Dora Ellen Johnston
Children: Edward Thomas Lines
John David Lines
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

Name: Edward Thomas Lines
Birth Date: 2 Mar 1893
Birth Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
Death Date: 10 Apr 1977
Death Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
Cemetery: Royal Oak Burial Park Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
Has Bio?: Y

Name: John David Lines
Birth Date: 19 Jan 1898
Birth Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
Death Date: 26 Mar 1962
Death Place: Jordan River, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
Cemetery: Royal Oak Burial Park Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Victoria, Capital Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
Has Bio?: Y
Father: Edward Lines
Mother: Dora Ellen Johnston
Spouse: Marvis Emily Lines
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

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The above Edward's death cert can be seen here:

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/cd89f1bd-a058-42a0-808f-e1ba10e045d2

Dea x

Many thanks for the help from all of you, lots to think about now!

The GRO listing shows William as William Jesse mmn Spicer
(you thought William ? John)

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
KEEN, WILLIAM JESSE SPICER
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 03A Page 560

Jane 1851 and George 1853 both show mmn Spicer and born Banbury RD

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Likely death of John

Name: Age at Death (in years)
KEEN, JOHN 41
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in BANBURY UNION Volume 03A Page 387

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Ann - A KEEN and the 3 children J, G and W KEAN all appear to be in the local workhouse in 1861 - Union House, Warwick Road, Neithrop, Banbury

Which shows a difference in spelling of the surname.

Angelina shortened to Ann and John Keen spelt with an E marriage in the right area around a year prior to the birth of Jane looks a good bet.

1851 - There are these couples both in the area - (Neithrop)
John and Martha Mold aged 23 and 30
and
John and Emma Jones 23 and 18 (child James 1851 mmn Hughes).

and in Shoreditch Joseph and Ann BOYS both 24 b Banbury with daughter Mary Ann b 1850 Shoreditch - register shows BOYES mmn French

Greyghost, is that 1861 record a census? I've not found any other census for that year for the family.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Union House, Warwick Road, Neithrop, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
J Upton Pauper Unmarried Male 60 1801 Stone Mason Lambeth, Surrey, England
A Keen Pauper Widow Female 29 1832 Labourers Wife Sibford Gower, Oxfordshire, England
C Turner Pauper Unmarried Male 7 1854 Scholar Epwell, Oxfordshire, England
J Carpenter Pauper - Male 10 1851 Scholar Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England
L King Pauper Unmarried Female 9 1852 Scholar Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
N Woodfield Pauper - Male 0 1861 Infant Brockley

Enumeration district 15
Archive reference RG09
Piece number 920
Folio 58
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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Union House, Warwick Road, Neithrop, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
J Robert Pauper Widower Male 74 1787 Shoe Maker Bodicote, Oxfordshire, England
H Brain Pauper Widow Female 67 1794 Labourers Wife Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England
A Turner Pauper Unmarried Male 9 1852 Scholar Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England
E Watts Pauper Unmarried Female 24 1837 General Servant Great Bourton, Oxfordshire, England
J Kean Pauper Unmarried Female 10 1851 Scholar Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England
A E Ingram Pauper - Female 3 1858 Scholar Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Union House, Warwick Road, Neithrop, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
J Harrison Pauper Unmarried Male 44 1817 Weaver Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
J Claridge Pauper Widower Male 63 1798 Labourer Bourton, Oxfordshire, England
S Smith Pauper Unmarried Female 24 1837 General Servant Chipping Warden, Northamptonshire, England
G Kean Pauper Unmarried Male 9 1852 Scholar Sibford __?, Oxfordshire, England
H French Pauper Unmarried Female 29 1832 General Servant Milcombe, Oxfordshire, England
A Franklen Pauper Unmarried Female 12 1849 Scholar Middleton Stoney, Northamptonshire, England
M A Herbert Pauper - Female 4 1857 Scholar Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Union House, Warwick Road, Neithrop, Banbury, Oxfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
J Boss Pauper Widower Male 67 1794 Stone Mason Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
M Gregory Pauper Married Female 83 1778 Labourers Wife Barby, Northamptonshire, England
W Kean Pauper Unmarried Male 7 1854 Scholar Sibford Ferris, Oxfordshire, England
J French Pauper - Male 11 1850 Scholar Oxfordshire, England
S Cliss Pauper Unmarried Female 9 1852 Scholar Oxfordshire, England
G Turner Pauper - Male 0 1861 Infant Tadmarton, Oxfordshire, England

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Brilliant. many thanks greyghost!

I've just found a DNA match with one of the Lines family from Canada. On her tree she has Ann Spicer listed as Ann Selina Spicer, which gives another name to look up.......