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Antony
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27 Jun 2010 19:57 |
A Pionierbattalion is the German equivalent of an Engineer / Sappers battalion.
I really can't think what AJH might be though.
The names Scholz / Schulz / Schultz are very common in Germany & there are very many people with those surnames in the company where I work in Frankfurt.
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Jack
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27 Jun 2010 17:52 |
Yeah I think you are right about the private part, looking at it. Will PM you in a sec.
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Rambling
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27 Jun 2010 11:37 |
Jack ...at a guess 'trivale' might be 'Private 4th (something Batt(battalion)??
If you want and could scan it into pc to email I will have a look? send me a PM if you want to try that.
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Jack
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27 Jun 2010 09:09 |
I've been trying to decipher the second profession for John Scholtz and it looks like it says Trivale 4th Pionarbatt AJH.
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Jack
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25 Jun 2010 23:25 |
The witnesses from what I can decipher are Marie Marx, H.E.Witt, Kathlea Barrett, Margaret Elwick.
Registrars Frank Stokes and Henry S Vudman.
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Vicci
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25 Jun 2010 22:27 |
HI
who are the witnesses to the marriage of John and florence, may give a clue...
have not had any luck in finding John or Joachim in any census. It is likely that they were not born in the UK, perhaps Germany/Austria etc I would consider the possibility that John was a POW in WW1 and stayed on afterwards???? A scenario could be that he was sent to work on a farm (ie the Witt farm) during the war and that was how he met Florence. Obviously this is just speculation. John may also have anglisized his name , maybe he was Johannes originally
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Jack
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25 Jun 2010 08:28 |
I'm not sure that Joachim is him, that would make him younger than his son which isn't right.
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Jack
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25 Jun 2010 08:25 |
Thanks for the information about Ambrose, that's him the marriage certificate had him down as a farmer and as deceased at the time of the marriage.
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25 Jun 2010 01:02 |
found this on rootsweb ? via google
ID: I013 Name: Joachim Hermanus SCHOLTZ Sex: M Birth: 6 JAN 1895 Baptism: 26 JUN 1895 Vryburg Reference Number: h2
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Vicci
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25 Jun 2010 00:38 |
1911 Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born Original census image WITT, Androse Head Married M 65 1846 Farmer Christchurch Hants VIEW WITT, William George Son Single M 35 1876 Farm Labourer Christchurch Hants VIEW PHILLIPPS, Alice Gertrude Daughter Married F 31 1880 Christchurch Hants VIEW WITTS, Bertie Edwin Son Single M 28 1883 Farm Labourer Christchurch Hants VIEW
>>>>WITTS, Florence Rose Daughter Single F 25 1886 Christchurch Hants VIEW
WITTS, Harriett Elizabeth Granddaughter F 10 1901 School Christchurch Hants VIEW
RG number: RG14 Piece: 5812 Reference: RG14PN5812 RG78PN266 RD95 SD1 ED5 SN86 Registration District: Christchurch Sub District: Christchurch Enumeration District: 5 Parish: Christchurch Address: Wateshouse Farm Christchurch County: Hampshire
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Vicci
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25 Jun 2010 00:34 |
1891
Florence R Witt Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1886 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Ambrose Mother's Name: Harriett Gender: Female Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Christchurch Ecclesiastical parish: Burton St Luke Town: Waterditch County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Christchurch Sub-registration district: Christchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 40 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ambrose Witt 45 Harriett Witt 38 Charles H Witt 17 William G Witt 15 Alice G Witt 11 Bertie E Witt 8 Albert F Witt 7 Florence R Witt 5 Annie A Witt 8 Ambrose Witt market gardener and farmer Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Harriett Gender: Male Where born: Hinton, Hampshire, England
Harriett Witt Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Ambrose Gender: Female Where born: Brockenhurst, Hampshire, England
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Jack
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25 Jun 2010 00:21 |
Think I'm going to have to call it a night for now, falling asleep at my laptop. Will take another look at the info in the morning. Thanks for all your help so far folks.
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Rambling
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25 Jun 2010 00:16 |
Is it your tree on Ancestry?
1901 England Census about Rose Witt Name: Rose Witt Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1886 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Ambrose Mother's Name: Harriet Gender: Female Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Christ Church East Ecclesiastical parish: Bransgore St Mary Town: Neacroft Bransgore County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Christchurch Sub-registration district: Christchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 153 Household Members: Name Age Ambrose Witt 52 Harriet Witt 47 William Witt 25 Bertie Witt 18 Rose Witt 15 Jane Dowden 24 Ernest Witt 19 View Original Record
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AnnCardiff
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25 Jun 2010 00:15 |
1881
William T. SCHULTZ Head M Male 32 Rotherhide, Surrey, England Steam Eng. driver Mary A. SCHULTZ Wife M Female 32 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Albert W. SCHULTZ Son Male 12 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Scholar Beatrice L. SCHULTZ Daur Female 7 Poplar, Middlesex, England Scholar William S. SCHULTZ Son Male 4 Poplar, Middlesex, England Scholar John A. SCHULTZ Son Male 3 Poplar, Middlesex, England Jane M.A. SCHULTZ Daur Female 1 Poplar, Middlesex, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 29 Dee St Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341112 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0503 / 72 Page Number 5
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AnnCardiff
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25 Jun 2010 00:14 |
1881 Carle EICHOLZ Head M Male 33 Hanover, Germany Tailor Luise EICHOLZ Wife M Female 28 Hessen Dannstadt, Germany Tailor's Wife Carl EICHOLZ Son Male 5 St Geo East, Middlesex, England Scholar Lise EICHOLZ Daur Female 4 Dalston, Middlesex, England Lewise EICHOLZ Daur Female 1 St Geo East, Middlesex, England Johann SCHULTZ Apprentice U Male 19 Pomerania, Germany Tailors Apprentice Susan BOLTER Servant U Female 17 Tower Hamlets, Middlesex, England Domestic Servant Mina ROBLITZ Lodger U Female 19 Pomerania, Germany Sewing Machinist
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 110 Backch Lane Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341099 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0453 / 121 Page Number 17
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Jack
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25 Jun 2010 00:14 |
not sure about that one, as that would have meant that he was about 15 when florence was born. While not impossible it seems rather young.
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AnnCardiff
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25 Jun 2010 00:14 |
poss connection? 1881
William SADLER Head M Male 32 London, London, Middlesex, England Porter Julie SADLER Wife M Female 35 London, London, Middlesex, England Porters Wife Robert SCHULTZ Step Son U Male 14 London, London, Middlesex, England Errand Boy John SCHULTZ Step Son U Male 8 London, London, Middlesex, England Scholar William SADLER Son U Male 6 London, London, Middlesex, England Scholar Samuel SADLER Son U Male 10 m London, London, Middlesex, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 38 Essex St Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341103 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0472 / 73 Page Number 19
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AnnCardiff
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25 Jun 2010 00:10 |
1881 - wonder if this is Ambrose?
Samuel WHITE Head M Male 40 Bethnal Green Labourer Mary Ann WHITE Wife M Female 40 Bethnal Green Samuel WHITE Son U Male 17 Bethnal Green Labourer Thomas WHITE Son Male 16 Bethnal Green Labourer Mary Ann WHITE Daur Female 13 Bethnal Green Scholar Ambrose WHITE Son Male 10 Bethnal Green Scholar Esther WHITE Daur Female 6 Bethnal Green Scholar John WHITE Son Male 7 m Bethnal Green
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 5 Smart Street Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341091 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0422 / 21 Page Number 36
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Jack
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25 Jun 2010 00:09 |
Yeah she is their daughter, my great grandmother.
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patchem
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25 Jun 2010 00:07 |
If this is Florence and John's daughter: Births Mar 1920 SCHOLTZ Wilhelmina W Witt Marylebone 1a 1098 then it really looks like they were from the Netherlands/Germany. You need someone with access to shipping records - re-title your query?
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