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Antony

Antony Report 27 Jun 2010 19:57

A Pionierbattalion is the German equivalent of an Engineer / Sappers battalion.

I really can't think what AJH might be though.

The names Scholz / Schulz / Schultz are very common in Germany & there are very many people with those surnames in the company where I work in Frankfurt.

Jack

Jack Report 27 Jun 2010 17:52

Yeah I think you are right about the private part, looking at it. Will PM you in a sec.

Rambling

Rambling Report 27 Jun 2010 11:37

Jack ...at a guess 'trivale' might be 'Private 4th (something Batt(battalion)??

If you want and could scan it into pc to email I will have a look? send me a PM if you want to try that.

Jack

Jack Report 27 Jun 2010 09:09

I've been trying to decipher the second profession for John Scholtz and it looks like it says Trivale 4th Pionarbatt AJH.

Jack

Jack Report 25 Jun 2010 23:25

The witnesses from what I can decipher are Marie Marx, H.E.Witt, Kathlea Barrett, Margaret Elwick.

Registrars Frank Stokes and Henry S Vudman.

Vicci

Vicci Report 25 Jun 2010 22:27

HI

who are the witnesses to the marriage of John and florence, may give a clue...

have not had any luck in finding John or Joachim in any census. It is likely that they were not born in the UK, perhaps Germany/Austria etc
I would consider the possibility that John was a POW in WW1 and stayed on afterwards???? A scenario could be that he was sent to work on a farm (ie the Witt farm) during the war and that was how he met Florence. Obviously this is just speculation.
John may also have anglisized his name , maybe he was Johannes originally

Jack

Jack Report 25 Jun 2010 08:28

I'm not sure that Joachim is him, that would make him younger than his son which isn't right.

Jack

Jack Report 25 Jun 2010 08:25

Thanks for the information about Ambrose, that's him the marriage certificate had him down as a farmer and as deceased at the time of the marriage.

 Lindsey*

Lindsey* Report 25 Jun 2010 01:02

found this on rootsweb ? via google

ID: I013
Name: Joachim Hermanus SCHOLTZ
Sex: M
Birth: 6 JAN 1895
Baptism: 26 JUN 1895 Vryburg
Reference Number: h2


Vicci

Vicci Report 25 Jun 2010 00:38

1911
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
image

WITT, Androse Head Married M 65 1846 Farmer Christchurch Hants VIEW
WITT, William George Son Single M 35 1876 Farm Labourer Christchurch Hants VIEW
PHILLIPPS, Alice Gertrude Daughter Married F 31 1880 Christchurch Hants VIEW
WITTS, Bertie Edwin Son Single M 28 1883 Farm Labourer Christchurch Hants VIEW

>>>>WITTS, Florence Rose Daughter Single F 25 1886 Christchurch Hants VIEW

WITTS, Harriett Elizabeth Granddaughter F 10 1901 School Christchurch Hants VIEW

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5812 Reference:
RG14PN5812 RG78PN266 RD95 SD1 ED5 SN86

Registration District:
Christchurch Sub District:
Christchurch Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Christchurch

Address:
Wateshouse Farm Christchurch County:
Hampshire

Vicci

Vicci Report 25 Jun 2010 00:34

1891

Florence R Witt
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Ambrose
Mother's Name: Harriett
Gender: Female
Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Christchurch
Ecclesiastical parish: Burton St Luke
Town: Waterditch
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ambrose Witt 45
Harriett Witt 38
Charles H Witt 17
William G Witt 15
Alice G Witt 11
Bertie E Witt 8
Albert F Witt 7
Florence R Witt 5
Annie A Witt 8

Ambrose Witt market gardener and farmer
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Harriett
Gender: Male
Where born: Hinton, Hampshire, England

Harriett Witt
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Ambrose
Gender: Female
Where born: Brockenhurst, Hampshire, England

Jack

Jack Report 25 Jun 2010 00:21

Think I'm going to have to call it a night for now, falling asleep at my laptop. Will take another look at the info in the morning. Thanks for all your help so far folks.

Rambling

Rambling Report 25 Jun 2010 00:16

Is it your tree on Ancestry?

1901 England Census
about Rose Witt
Name: Rose Witt
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Ambrose
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Female
Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Christ Church East
Ecclesiastical parish: Bransgore St Mary
Town: Neacroft Bransgore
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 153
Household Members: Name Age
Ambrose Witt 52
Harriet Witt 47
William Witt 25
Bertie Witt 18
Rose Witt 15
Jane Dowden 24
Ernest Witt 19


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Record

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AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 25 Jun 2010 00:15

1881

William T. SCHULTZ Head M Male 32 Rotherhide, Surrey, England Steam Eng. driver
Mary A. SCHULTZ Wife M Female 32 Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Albert W. SCHULTZ Son Male 12 Bermondsey, Surrey, England Scholar
Beatrice L. SCHULTZ Daur Female 7 Poplar, Middlesex, England Scholar
William S. SCHULTZ Son Male 4 Poplar, Middlesex, England Scholar
John A. SCHULTZ Son Male 3 Poplar, Middlesex, England
Jane M.A. SCHULTZ Daur Female 1 Poplar, Middlesex, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 29 Dee St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341112
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0503 / 72
Page Number 5

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 25 Jun 2010 00:14

1881
Carle EICHOLZ Head M Male 33 Hanover, Germany Tailor
Luise EICHOLZ Wife M Female 28 Hessen Dannstadt, Germany Tailor's Wife
Carl EICHOLZ Son Male 5 St Geo East, Middlesex, England Scholar
Lise EICHOLZ Daur Female 4 Dalston, Middlesex, England
Lewise EICHOLZ Daur Female 1 St Geo East, Middlesex, England
Johann SCHULTZ Apprentice U Male 19 Pomerania, Germany Tailors Apprentice
Susan BOLTER Servant U Female 17 Tower Hamlets, Middlesex, England Domestic Servant
Mina ROBLITZ Lodger U Female 19 Pomerania, Germany Sewing Machinist


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Source Information:
Dwelling 110 Backch Lane
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341099
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0453 / 121
Page Number 17

Jack

Jack Report 25 Jun 2010 00:14

not sure about that one, as that would have meant that he was about 15 when florence was born. While not impossible it seems rather young.

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 25 Jun 2010 00:14

poss connection? 1881

William SADLER Head M Male 32 London, London, Middlesex, England Porter
Julie SADLER Wife M Female 35 London, London, Middlesex, England Porters Wife
Robert SCHULTZ Step Son U Male 14 London, London, Middlesex, England Errand Boy
John SCHULTZ Step Son U Male 8 London, London, Middlesex, England Scholar
William SADLER Son U Male 6 London, London, Middlesex, England Scholar
Samuel SADLER Son U Male 10 m London, London, Middlesex, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 38 Essex St
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341103
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0472 / 73
Page Number 19

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 25 Jun 2010 00:10

1881 - wonder if this is Ambrose?

Samuel WHITE Head M Male 40 Bethnal Green Labourer
Mary Ann WHITE Wife M Female 40 Bethnal Green
Samuel WHITE Son U Male 17 Bethnal Green Labourer
Thomas WHITE Son Male 16 Bethnal Green Labourer
Mary Ann WHITE Daur Female 13 Bethnal Green Scholar
Ambrose WHITE Son Male 10 Bethnal Green Scholar
Esther WHITE Daur Female 6 Bethnal Green Scholar
John WHITE Son Male 7 m Bethnal Green


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Source Information:
Dwelling 5 Smart Street
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341091
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0422 / 21
Page Number 36

Jack

Jack Report 25 Jun 2010 00:09

Yeah she is their daughter, my great grandmother.

patchem

patchem Report 25 Jun 2010 00:07

If this is Florence and John's daughter:
Births Mar 1920
SCHOLTZ Wilhelmina W Witt Marylebone 1a 1098
then it really looks like they were from the Netherlands/Germany.
You need someone with access to shipping records - re-title your query?