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Thank you for all your help Rose i will do that right away.
Jacquie

You might want to order the certificate. The informant could be one of her other children.

Rose

Rose, i have finally been able to reach my brother. He says Violet died in 1974 the same year his best mate died.
Jacquie
So that one must be right Thank you

Can you narrow it down to a decade?

She was still alive in 1964?

There's this:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Violet Williams
Name: Violet Williams
Birth Date: 4 Apr 1894
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 1974
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 12
Page: 1334

Rose

Sorry Rose, all i know is that she died in London, she was never very far from Shoreditch.
Jacquie

So you don't know what year she died or where she was living at the time?

Rose

No nothing at all Dea, just what dad said sorry
Jacquie

Thanks Jackie,

So..... we need to find 'your' Violet on 1911 - I will take a look.

Do you have any details at all on your father's siblings?

Dea x

Hi Dea, I found a marriage in 1911 for a Violet Smith 1911 Thinking it was them and tried to work back. All i have done is completely confused myself. However i have found this on dads BC about Violet
VILOET WILLIAMS :restaurant kitchen hand 12 Fanshaw st Shoreditch & she didn't register him until 7/12/1932 is that any help

Dea,

Forget the Violet Smith at the beginning. Jacquie was just guessing that was the one before she received the birth cert.

Rose

I can not find her death either Rose.
Jacquie

Hi Jacqui,

I think I can a safely say that she would not have had your father at age 59 !

Could you give us ALL the info from that birth cert please?

How did you get back to the Violet who was born in 1872 - did you have another connection which led you there or did you just take a guess?

Maybe that Violet (Woolf) who was with Charles Smith had a daughter named Violet and you father is 'her' son' ??

I will take a look.

Dea x

Where and when did she die?

Rose

Not much Rose, always knew she was Violet as we were not allowed to call her nan, she passed after we arrived in OZ in 1964
Jacquie

What else do you know?

You obviously knew your grandmother's name was Violet because you were looking for that name before you received the birth cert. What happened to her?

Rose

No middle name Rose.
Jacquie

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Violet Smith
Name: Violet Smith
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Spouse Name: Joseph Williams General Dealer
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 17 May 1914
Parish: St Augustine, Haggerston
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: James Smith deceased Cab Proprietor
Spouse Father Name: John Joseph Williams General Dealer

Witnesses: John Joseph and Mary Ann Williams.

Rose

Other Williams/Smith births in Shoreditch:

Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
WILLIAMS Albert G Smith Shoreditch 1c 125

Births Mar 1915 (99%)
WILLIAMS Violet R M Smith Shoreditch 1c 1_4

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Williams John J Smith Shoreditch 1c 161

Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
Williams William J Smith Shoreditch 1c 102

Rose

Is there a middle initial?

Rose

There's this marriage for a Violet Smith to a Williams in the same area:

Marriages Jun 1914
WILLIAMS Joseph Smith Shoreditch 1c 107
Smith Violet Williams Shoreditch 1c 107

Rose