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On the 1851 Census, Peter Nicholls (64) of Sudbury, Suffolk, is shown with wife Mary (49) of Sheerness, Kent, together with 3 children - William (35) born Sudbury,Amelia (20) born Chelsea and Caroline (13) born St Saviour.
I have traced a William Nicholls born to Peter & Sarah who was christened at St Gregory, Sudbury on 02 July 1815.
It is apparent that Peter has married twice and I am trying to find details of both marriages - difficult as they are before 1837.

Any assistance gratefully received.

Arthur

not what you're looking for I realise but a connection? 1881

Peter NICHOLLS Head M Male 28 Sudbury, Suffolk, England Shoe Manufacturer
Annie NICHOLLS Wife M Female 28 Stafford, England
Frank NICHOLLS Son Male 6 Stafford, England
Ellen NICHOLLS Daur Female 3 Stafford, England
Frederick NICHOLLS Son Male 1 Worcester, England
Jane WILKS Lodger U Female 20 Stafford, England Machinist (S)


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Source Information:
Dwelling White Ladies Close
Census Place Claines, Worcester, England
Family History Library Film 1341702
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2933 / 36
Page Number 64

Have you got the family in 1841?
How do you know the second marriage was before 1837?
Thanks.

Family in 1841, so second marriage before 1837, probably:
1841 England Census
Peter Nicholls Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1791 Gender: Male Civil parish: Lambeth Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division) County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address: College Street Occupation: Barge Builder Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road Second
Peter Nicholls 50 not local
Mary Nicholls 40 not local
Amelia Nicholls 5 not local
Caroline Nicholls 3 local
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1061; Book: 1; Civil Parish: Lambeth; County: Surrey; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 12; Page: 18; Line: 5; GSU roll: 474655.

AMELIA NICHOLLS
Birth: 09 NOV 1835
Christening: 06 DEC 1835 Saint Luke, Chelsea, London, England
Father: PETER NICHOLLS Mother: MARY C067054

Anne of Green Gables

They are part of the same family (extended).

Patricia - you reached the same conclusion that the children born in wedlock, therefore, marriage before 1837.

Tracing the family tree in Sudbury from 1750 forwards, several are barge builders, and concluded that Peter moved from Sudbury to London as a barge builder.
Further speculation - perhaps Peter moved to London following death of wife Sarah, the mother of William.

Hope we can find some marriages to further investigate.

Thanks
Arthur

Getting Caroline's birth certificate would at least give you Mary's maiden name.

Name: Caroline Nicholls
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 28 Jan 1838
Father's Name: Peter Nicholls Occ:Barge Builder
Mother's Name: Mary Nicholls
Parish: St Saviour
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex
Born Dec.26,1837

So very possibly this one:
FreeBMD
Births Mar 1838
NICHOLLS Caroline St Saviours 4 395

Maureen

Maureen thanks for info and I will be sending for a certificate.

Arthur

I have found 2 other children for Peter & Mary, sadly both died very young.

Mary Ann
b. 01.04.31
c. 01.05.31
d. 28.08.31

Martha
b. 10.08.33
c. 18.08.33
d. 18.03.34

I have been provided with info that indicates William was not the only child of Peter and his first wife Sarah Redgwell.

Father: Peter Nicholls, Mother: Sarah Redgwell

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 7

1. ELIZABETH SARAH NICHOLS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 26 NOV 1808

2. ELIZABETH SARAH NICHOLS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 09 DEC 1808 Saint Gregory, Sudbury, Suffolk, England

3. WILLIAM NICHOLS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 JUL 1815 Saint Gregory, Sudbury, Suffolk, England

4. ELIZABETH NICHOLLS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 26 NOV 1808

5. ELIZABETH NICHOLLS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 NOV 1814 All Saints, Sudbury, Suffolk, England

6. SARAH NICHOLLS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 01 APR 1813

7. SARAH NICHOLLS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 NOV 1814 All Saints, Sudbury, Suffolk, England

Wonder what happened to the 2 girls and when Sarah, the mother died.

Elizabeth appears to have been christened twice and in two different churches some six years apart. Is this unusual? Any thoughts much appreciated.

Arthur

I would imagine that there were 2 Elizabeths born to Peter and Sarah.

Maureen

Maureen
Would you name twins (they have the same birthday) Elizabeth and Elizabeth Sarah - I don't think so.

Very curious

Oh! I see what you mean! It was waaaay too early in the morning for me to be answering that question obviously!
No idea.
Sorry about that.

Maureen

Have now discovered a Thomas Nicholls born to Peter & Sarah October 1820 Southwark (Surrey/Middx).

If this is the same Peter & Sarah, parents of William, Elizabeth Sarah & Sarah, then they moved from Sudbury to London.

Have been able to trace Thomas forward to 1861 and beyond. My great grandfather Arthur was apprenticed to Thomas as an Instrument Maker. Arthur came from Sudbury, Suffolk and I am trying to establish the family connection with Peter.

Looking at the 1851 Census again, it appears that Amelia (born Chelsea) is the wife of William.

Would like to trace this marriage too.

A fresh pair of eyes.....

Thanks in advance

Arthur

Have you found William in 1841?
There are 2 likely William to Amelia marriages 1841 to 1851.
Have you found them in 1861, to see if there are any children?
Thanks

He may have been married twice,then.
Name: William Nicholls Occ: Glass cutter
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Eliza Peace
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 Jun 1842
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Peter Nicholls Occ: Barge builder
Spouse Father Name: William Peace Occ:Waterman
Witnesses: C. Peace and Mary Nicholls

Maureen

Maureen

This does look like 'my' William. Many thanks

Patricia

Could you please detail the two likely William/Amelia marriages. Thanks Have not been able to tace beyond 1851

Arthur

Found a different groom for one of the marriages, found another marriage but was before the 1842 one to Eliza Peace, so the remote possible you are left with is unfortunately not Chelsea, and there are several choices of brides and grooms:
Marriages Jun 1847
CARR Mary Ann Bethnal G 2 47
Mummery Isaac Vale Bethnal G 2 47
xxxxxxxxNicholls William Bethnal Gn 2 47
RALFS Louisa Bethnal Gn 2 47
Ralgs Louisa Bethnal Gn 2 47
Sheffield Edward Bethnal Green 2 47
TROTMAN Sanders Bethnal Gr'n 2 47
xxxxxxxxWilliams Amelia Bethnal Green 2 47
Woollard Louisa Bethnal Gn 2 47

Patricia

Thanks for info.

Need to establish when Eliza Nicholls (?First wife) died.

Still cannot find William in 1861 census. Perhaps he died between 1851 & 1861. Will now research Amelia Nicholls, who is not living with Peter & Mary Nicholls on 1861 census.

Arthur