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This looks hopefull but what happened to Eliza did she die.What happened to Emily before she married William Fretwell.Richard moved on to become a butler he ended up living with Emily in 1901 n Mirfield Yorkshire.If Eliza was the mother of the Emily Breeze i am looking for what was her maiden name.Trying to match the whole lot up to her iligtimate son John Hope he was given his stepfathers name Fretwell by 1891 but by 1901 he as gone back to his mothers maiden name Breeze.Hope as been carried down as a middle name through the family and is linke so rumor has it to the Hope diamond.Thank you for your help

I know that Emily Breeze gave birth to a illigitimate son John Hope.By 1891 John Hope is Now John Fretwell Emilys husband.Inthe 1901 census he is now John Hope Breeze he has gone back to his mothers maiden name.I know that Emilys father Richard Breeze is now living with Emily in 1901 Mirfield Yorkshire.What i cant find is the name of Emilys mother what happened to her and what happened to Emily before she married William Fretwell,and whats the connection to the Hope diamond.Thank you for your help

I guess anythings possible if Richard Breeze was her step father who was her mother

Probably John 1874 in 1911 married 12 years 3 children 2 living 1 died

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
census
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BREEZE, John Head Married M 37 1874 Packer In Yarn Warehouse Shrewsbury South Wales VIEW
BREEZE, Emma Wife Married
12 years F 31 1880 Hoyland Common VIEW
THORPE, Charlie Brother Single M 17 1894 Cloth Finisher Hoyland Common VIEW
BREEZE, Leslie Son Single M 9 1902 Batley Carr Yorks VIEW
BREEZE, Albert Son M 1 1910 Batley Carr Yorks VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27238 Reference:
RG14PN27238 RG78PN1556 RD503 SD2 ED12 SN70

Registration District:
Dewsbury Sub District:
Batley Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Batley

Address:
42 Belvedere Road Batley County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

Is this the right William Fretwell - our William had a son Jesse the same name as this father

William Fretwell Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
24 FEB 1861 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Jesse Fretwell Family
Mother: Harriet Fretwell

Other children of the same parents 2 christened on the same day

1. Mary Jane Fretwell - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 24 FEB 1861 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England
2. Louisa Jane Fretwell - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 31 DEC 1871 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England
3. William Fretwell - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 24 FEB 1861 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England
4. Edgar Fretwell - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 JUN 1864 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England
5. Mark Fretwell - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 JUN 1859 Mirfield, Yorkshire, England

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Hope is son John's middle name not his surname.
He was born John Hope Breeze before Emily married.

Births Sep 1873

Breeze John Hope - Atcham 6a 680

Similarly
As I can't see a birth for a William F Dransfield, Perhaps William was born Fretwell and his mother then married Dransfield after his birth

Just possible ...

Marriages Mar 1859

Beaumont Isaac Wortley 9c 201
.........Dransfield John Wortley 9c 201
........Fretwell Sarah Wortley 9c 201
Gascoigne Hannah Wortley 9c 201

I am guessing you are fairly new to the workings of this site. You have two othe threads about this family and much of the work has been duplicated. You will get better results if you stick to the same thread so everyone has a fuller picture.

http://www.genesreunited.com/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1222856

http://www.genesreunited.com/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1222863

An ancestor who had an illegitimate child used the father's surname as the child's second christian name, but the birth was registered in the mother's maiden name
Liz

Thank you for your help.Could you please go a step further and explain the whole set up on threads.As you can tell all this is new to me and so is the computer.If i am looking for information like yesterday do you go on Trying To Find.What would you use the History thread for.If i get information do i reply where it says add at the bottom of message.If someone says use threads to reply what do i do and what is the difference.If i want to thank everybody what then?

Trying to find or records is normally the best ones to use...but you should not have more than one for each family as the infomation gets repeated.
You can bring up one of your old threads and just add details to it

still dont know if i reply by this but thank you

Yes you are replying in the right place..its the fact you have two other threads on this family aswell, all repeating some of the same infomation

Michael

My apologies. I missed John Hope Breezes's birth first time round

Wendy

The add button only started to work recently and sometimes affects the flow of the thread and posts are missed.

You can thank people on your thread because once someone has posted on your thread and someone else replies it will bump that thread to the top of ther thread list too.

If you go scroll down the side of this page it says my threads. Click on it and you will see a list of all your threads that you have created and added too. Experiment a little and you will see what I mean. There are a number of threads with tips on how best to research and use these boards.
Read a few.

It is not your fault that GR do not explain things properly. Please do not feel that people are cross with you. We just want you to get the best use of the boards.

thank you hope to do better in the future.Dont mind a constructive comment but if its not explained where you are going wrong then you are no better off.

Yes, the add button is for adding a reply on the thread for all to see.
This is always better than clicking on an individual name which only sends your message to that one person. (the exception being if the info is about living persons)
Any addition to a thread will automatically bump it up to the top of the board.

A big thank you to you all