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You don't suppose he could have lied about his age do you, if he was only 18 when he married.

Births Dec 1904
Clark Cyril Henry Pancras 1b 123

If he was Cyril Henry Clarke (with an e) there are more possibilities.

Never thought about that, but i thought you would have to show your birth certificate when you get married.

Hi Susan,

Is there an address on the marriage certificate for Cyril and what are the witnesses names.

Lou

yes fairview, fairfax drive prittlewell and witnesses are Phyllis Punt, And another C Clark.

Prittlewell comes under Rochford and Olive was born there.

I wonder if someone with access to 1911 would be kind enough to check something out. There is this marriage -
Marriages Sep 1896
Clark Henry William Rochford 4a 761
Clark William Henry Rochford 4a 761
Sparkes Elizabeth Mary Rochford 4a 761

and on 1911 there is a Henry and an Elizabeth in Rochford - there is also a Cyril Clark showing up in Rochford as born 1898. It would be interesting to see if Cyril is their child.

Is it this one Christine


CLARK, Henry Husband Married M 36 1875 Farm Labourer Eastwood Essex VIEW
CLARK, Elizabeth Wife Married
15 years F 39 1872 Eastham Plaistow VIEW
CLARK, Cyril Son M 13 1898 School Eastwood VIEW
CLARK, Lillie Daughter F 12 1899 School Prittlewell Essex VIEW
CLARK, Crissie Son M 10 1901 School VIEW
CLARK, Dorothy Daughter F 9 1902 VIEW
CLARK, Edith Daughter F 7 1904 VIEW
CLARK, Kathleen Daughter F 5 1906 VIEW
CLARK, Emily Daughter F 3 1908 VIEW
CLARK, Louisa Daughter F 1 1910 VIEW

Thank you Lullabell, yes, that will be the one.

I have found this possible birth that I wondered if it had been wrongly logged as Clarke - That sort of thing does happen, it took me 6 months when I was new to this to find my grandmothers birth which should have been under Whetton and was hiding under Wetton all the time.

Births Mar 1898
Clarke Cyril William H Rochford 4a 596

I wonder if Chrissie was the other marriage witness perhaps?

If this is the right family it would be a break through and funny as i moved to Eastwood 16 years ago and still here.

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Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
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Clark Henry William Rochford 4a 761
Clark William Henry Rochford 4a 761
Sparkes Elizabeth Mary Rochford 4a 761

Could this be you Cyril in 1901?? Visiting!!

But if that family in 1911 is correct and the marriage for the parents is correct, it's no wonder we couldn't find him with his father in 1901.

Name: Cyril Clarke
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1898
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastwood, Essex, England

Civil parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Plaistow
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 238
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Rasnake 52
Sarah J Rasnake 45
Joseph G Rasnake 16
John E Rasnake 13
Bessie M Rasnake 11
Rose M Rasnake 8
Robert Sparkes 28 <<<<<<<<<<<Nephew
Cyril Clarke 3 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1569; Folio: 45; Page: 35.

1901 Census

Name: Henry Clarke
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastwood, Essex, England

Civil parish: Prittlewell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Virgin
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rochford
Sub-registration district: Prittlewell
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 109
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Clarke 24 Agricultural Labourer
Elizabeth Clarke 28
Lily Clarke 2
Christopher Clarke 8 months

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1680; Folio: 125; Page: 15.

Clark without the "e" in 1891???

Name: Henry Clark
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastwood, Essex, England

Civil parish: Eastwood
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Rochford
Sub-registration district: Rayleigh
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Clark 36 Agric. Lab, b. Rochford
Emily Clark 38 b. Bradwell
Henry Clark 14 Ag. Lab.
Frederic Clark 13
Alice Clark 7
Leonard Clark 4

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1390; Folio 119; Page 3; GSU roll: 6096500.

This is the most likely for Elizabeth but the age is a wee bit out. Has a brother Robert and one called Chris and the middle name is correct.

Name: Elizabeth Mary Sparks
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Matthew
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Westham, Essex, England

Civil parish: St Giles in The Fields
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 18 Betterton St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Matthew Sparks 36 Labourer at Brewhouse, b Chard, Somerset
Sarah Ann Sparks 36 b. Chard, Somerset
Edward John Sparks 14
Elizabeth Mary Sparks 10
Robert Sparks 8
Chris Sparks 5 b. Chard
Matthew Thos. Sparks 3 c. Chard
Emma Dow 57 b. Chard [no relationship given on actual image]

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 322; Folio: 68; Page: 35; GSU roll: 1341069.

Sorry - just had to have a look and see what Rasnake should have been in 1901!!

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Marriages Jun 1865 (>99%)
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Kerslake Sarah Ann Chard 5c 895
Sparks Matthew Chard 5c 895

Hope I haven't laid a false trail though. An ag lab is quite a jump from carman.