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Clare
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2 May 2010 23:23 |
Yes, I think he's probably older than I originally thought.
I can only get two marriages for William Stephens in Narberth though, one to the Frances and the 1851 marriage above.
I did think that the 1823 bit might have been his employer getting it wrong, also I figured that a 3 is very similar to an 8 so it would be easy for either to look like the other.
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Clare
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2 May 2010 23:27 |
I've seen that William before I think.
I've never heard of Cants though, and I can't think of anything that it could be short for. Google maps is giving me two options (the search was giving me results for missing cats...): The Cants, Saundersfoot, Dyfed Cants Cottage, Camrose Farm, Camrose, Haverfordwest, Dyfed
Saundersfoot is a bit too far away to be him. Camrose is on the other side of Haverfordwest from Narberth - but still has a Haverfordwest address so is a possibility. But I wish I could be sure of what they meant by Cants.
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2 May 2010 23:31 |
Hmm, could be the enumerator's mistranscription. So this chap is a possible? If so, he is 21 and could have wandered away from his place of birth. Where is Marloes?
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Ivy
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2 May 2010 23:34 |
Marloes is some way off, on the west coast, and north of Milford Haven...
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Clare
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2 May 2010 23:36 |
Marloes is right on the West Coast of Pembrokeshire. So about 20-25 miles from Narberth.
Edit: Yes, I think it would be more likely that it's different William..a bit too far out maybe.
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Clare
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2 May 2010 23:39 |
I'm trying to think of anywhere the enumerator might have mistaken Crinow for..esp as William was a Welsh speaker so I assume he would have called it Crynwedd.
I'm going to have to call it a night now, I have an early start...despite the bank holiday! Thanks for all your help and I'll have another crack at finding him tomorrow evening. :)
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SylviaInCanada
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2 May 2010 23:49 |
I did see that William in 1851, b. in Cants, and wondered
It is Cants on the image, so not a mistranscription of something else (my first thought!!).
and that William was an Ag Lab, which fits in with the 1861 (Farmers Servant)
I really don't like Welsh searches!!!
.................... OH is half Welsh! Roberts, Hughes, Morton, Jones etc etc
sylvia
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3 May 2010 00:02 |
Yes, I shall need to turn in soon too ...
are you going to carry on for a bit longer Sylvia?
I've been squinting at the age on the 1861 census (Farmer's servant). The supervisor's check mark is over the age, which complicates the second digit. However, the enumerator does have a very distinctive method of writing 8 (practically on its side), so that it is distinguishable from a 3. While I was doing this, I suddenly realised that what I had thought was a first digit 3 with a supervisor's mark actually looks much more like this enumerator's 2. So perhaps he is not quite so old after all?
Edit: so, as Clare suggested, since the second digit looks like a 3, he might even be as young as 23?
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3 May 2010 00:19 |
OK, one last offer before I shut down completely:
- there is a child William, son of Thomas, living in Stackpole Elidor in 1841, age 10. He is likely to be the labourer still living in Stackpole Elidor in 1851, who states that he is born in Castlemartin - however, Stackpole Elidor is in Castlemartin hundred - and might it be possible to mix up the handwritten version of Elidor and Crinow?
1841: Name: William Stephens Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Gender: Male Where born: Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil parish: Stackpole Elidor Hundred: Castlemartin County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Street Address: View image Occupation: View image Registration district: Pembroke Sub-registration district: Pembroke Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Name Thomas Stephens 30 Ann Stephens 25 William Stephens 10 Sarah Stephens 3 Richard Stephens 1 Mary Stephens 2 Mo
1851: Name: William Stephens Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relation: Servant Gender: Male Where born: Castlemartin, Pembrokeshire, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Stackpole Elidor County/Island: Pembrokeshire Country: Wales Registration district: Pembroke Sub-registration district: Tenby ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 36 Household Members: Name Age John Eynon 47 Catherine Eynon 46 William Eynon 3 Margaret Armond 76 William Stephens 20 Thomas Morgan 12
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Clare
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3 May 2010 18:04 |
Hello again, I hope everyone's had a nice Bank Holiday :)
I think Castle Martin is a bit too far away to mesh well with his place of birth - about 20 miles. Plus it's not in the Haverfordwest area either - but I shall keep an open mind! ...and the same for his age!!
Basically, there are no William Stephens born at that time living in the right area later. So I'm going to have a look over in the Glamorgan area again, where he lived later in life, to see if his father moved them over that way for the mining when he was young....maybe I'll get lucky with it this time! Might have missed something before..
Thanks everyone for all the help! :)
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