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Hi.
Will it be possible to find Army Census for 1871 Please.
From Olive

Who are you looking for Olive? Anyone who was in Uk on the nights of all census taken will be included.

Annx

Who are you looking for?
Army establishments in UK are included in the mainland census.

Gwyn

Hi Ann.

I have been looking for my G.Grandmother Maria Mills born 1852 Ampfield Hampshire .on the 1871 Census But have been unable to find her.

On her Marriage Certificate 1873 to James Whitts born 1837 it gives their address as Winchester Barracks,Union Street Winchester.I know James Whitts was in the Army ,

So I just wonder???
From Olive

Are you aware of any of her siblings?

Annx

according to trees on ancestry father is Henry and mother harriet
what is the father's name on the marriage certi and occupatiion

so believe this is them on 1861
Maria Mills
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry - agricultural labourer
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Hursley

Civil parish: South Stoneham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: South Stoneham
ED, institution, or vessel: 6e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Mills 42
Emma Mills 40
Thomas Mills 17
Maria Mills 9
Mark H Mills 3
Charles Mills 4 Mo

address Winchester Road

this is the nearest in 1871 I can find

Maria Mills
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Preston Candover, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Alton
Town: Alton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Alton
Sub-registration district: Alton
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Pittman 55
Mary Pittman 57
Clem G Pittman 19
Lillie A Pittman 6
Maude M Pittman 3
Mary L Pittman 7 months
Maria Mills 16
Hannah Gregory 17

Yes just spotted the family Victoria, there seems to be only 1 Maria Mills on the 1871 born Hampshire but different town.

Annx

Hi.

Yes that is Maria Mills 1852 I have her birth Certificate.

But I am unable to find her on the 1871 Census so was Maria living at the Army Barracks with her husband to be James Whitts.
From Olive

Not a good match, but wondered if this birthplace was mis heard?
Name: Maria Wills
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Harefield, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Bedminster
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Registration district: Bedminster
Sub-registration district: Bedminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Evan Fear 29 ...wine merchant
Martha Fear 55
Maria Wills 19

Hi Victoria.
I wonder if that is Maria on your 1871 Census.

Her son was born 1874 James Henry Whitts 1874
Winchester ( Riffle Brigade) Army Birth and Baptisms vol 1071 page 45.
Which I found at the local library on Ancestry.

Do you know if James Whitts is on the Army Census 1871 please.
From Olive

Have just followed the family to 1911, they are consistent with birthplaces and ages.........strange that James and Maria are missing from 1871 census..........you may be right Olive.........but not to be included on the UK census may mean they are out of the country with him serving.

Annx

Hi .
Thankyou for trying to help me,
Olive

Hi Ann.
I know that Maria Whitts died 19o2@ Reading .
James Whitts died 1914@ Reading.
Thankyou all for your help,
Olive

Olive..........save me trawling through again, did they have a son James H?

Ann

Hi Ann
Yes they did James Henry Whitts born 1874 Winchester Barracks Army Births vol 1071 PAGE 45.
That what makes me think they may have been living there 1871
Olive

oLIVE,

Taking a guess at when he would have joined the Army.....(there are Chelsea Pensioner records being scanned as we speak)

I would think by July this year his may be among them, I can remember talking to a guy about my own GG grandad who was CP, he told me they normally signed on for 12 years.......not sure if that is correct.

Ann

HI
I havent the birth Certificate though
Olive

Yes that is the one I spotted, so James Snr was in the Rifle Brigade?

So they are AWOL for sure 1871 (or maybe earlier) and then appear 1874 for birth of son.

Ann

Hi Ann.
James Whitts born 1837 was in the 3rd Riffle Brigade he jioned 1855---1876.On the 1881 Census he is down as Chelsea Pensioner .So will we be able find the Records our selves.in July
Olive