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That is sooooo unfair. :(

:)

Nudged for my reference as Robert's sister Frances appears to have married into my tree

Hello LadyKira

Ooops, done Thanks
Linda

Hello Sylvia

Yes I had just come to that conclusion after looking at the records site.
Ah well it will be good to have them anyway.

Thanks
Linda

Just one note


English/Welsh death certificates do not give the maiden name of a woman, nor do they give any children, nor the names of the parents.


The most you would get might be "widow/wife of ...... "




sylvia

Please remove your email from the posting as not safe and against t&c. To send a message to wayne tracy with email address click on her name.

Hello Ladykira, Jane, Ann & Tracey

I usually sit down at work in my lunchtime to check on these vital bits of information all of you are finding out for me, and I assumed that you were all from the UK, sorry.

Hi Jane
Thanks for the links and info about how to tease the secrets out, I'll have to have a look later.

I will keep the idea in mind about the Foden's
Sometime you wish they would just name their kids different to themselves don't you.
Captain Robert married a Margaret possibly 1829 then they had a Margaret b 1835 who married an Evan Richards around 1855 I would guess.
Then my Grandrother was a Margaret and my auntie Peggy was born a Margaret!!!

My aunt thought the Captain and his wife had moved to Mostyn from Machynlleth in 1835, so she thought Margaret might have been from there but I havn't gone along that avenue yet.
The quick tree search you did, was that for the Foden'?

Hi LadyKira

The 3 addresses for the family is confusing as my aunty remembers they only ever lived in the one house from around 1835 to 1952, known as Mostyn House, Mostyn Quay. This house is still there by the looks of it on Google Maps.

Sounds like a contact to the Flintshire Records Office would be good, I bet their not online!!

I don't know of any John Davies's in the line and as far as I know, Captain Robert was the only seaman, where as Robert Davies Jnr seemed to be in shipping.

Hi Tracey

Captain Robert Davies married a Margaret Owen as far as I can accertain as there was a marriage on 25/12/1829 in Amlwch, Anglesey. If I get the death certificates that would confirm/deny this info I guess.
I am just looking forward at this stage from Captain Robert Davies and hopeing to find any other living relations!!

Thanks for all that newspaper info.

Hi Ann
Thanks for the email and web site info you have sent as I have not contacted them yet.

Thanks all for your relplies

Linda
signing off from NZ

Moored at Mostyn Quay

1891 census - household transcription
Person: DAVIES, John
Vessel: Florence Petherick Schooner Sailing
Port/place: Whitehaven

DAVIES, John A B Seaman Single M 19 1872 Seaman
Amlwch
Anglesey


Holywell Sub District:
Whitford Enumeration District:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Gorsedd
Civil Parish:
Whitford Municipal Borough:
Address:
Whitford, Saithaclwyd County:
Flintshire

Not sure where he fits in but also from Anglesea.

Just to remind,

I need an email address to send these newspaper clips to.

Tracey x

Ah never quite made it there but have made note.

From Genuki

Merchant Marine
Flintshire Record Office holds Shipping Records from 1863 to 1913, which include lists of the crews of ships trading from Flintshire ports on the River Dee. Two bound volumes of indexes to these records (about 30,000 names) are available.

LK,

No, the record office is in Hawarden Flintshire, they hold records for Flintshire & Denbighshire.......which includes the registation district of Holywell.......where Linda's ancestor died.

Annx

I just wanted to suggest it might be interesting, Linda, to trace the Foden family who were living with Robt Jr in 1881 -- mother Margaret was his housekeeper for a long time, and they could have family stories.

In 1871 they were (1881 has only initials for the whole lot of them):

Margt Foden 38 - innkeeper
Wm Foden 13
Margt I Foden 11
Joseph Foden 9
Ann Eliz Foden 7
Jane Davies 30 - niece - born Lancashire - married, domestic


If Robt Sr was from Liverpool originally, it's possible that this Jane Davies was in fact related. In fact, I wonder whether Margaret Foden Sr was an aunt of Robt Jr ... like maybe:

Marriages Jun 1852
? Davies Margaret West Derby 8b 553
? Foden Joseph West Derby 8b 553
Rimmer John West Derby 8b 553
Worthington Grace West Derby 8b 553


1861

Name: Margaret Foden
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Joseph
Where born: Bromborough, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Lower Bebington
County/Island: Cheshire

Joseph Foden 30 - publican
Margaret Foden 29
William Foden 3
Margaret J Foden 1
Elizabeth Foden 22
Sarah Hughes 17 servant


1841 in Bromborrow

William Davies 50 - farmer, born Cheshire
Jane Davies 50
Jane Davies 20
Thomas Davies 15
Ann Davies 12
Margaret Davies 10

Possibly William was a brother of Robt Sr ... possibly they weren't related. ;) It does seem that Robt Jr took on responsibility for the family when mother Margaret was widowed, though.

On a quick tree search, a GR member has William 1858 and Margaret 1860 born Cheshire in her tree.

edit to clarify - yes, they are Fodens. ;)

Just popped in. Thanks Tracey.

Judging from the timing of her postings I think Linda is from overseas so should reply later.

Useful archives address Ann. Will make a note of that myself.
Is that in Hailton library or somewhere else?
I spent a weekend in there a few years ago.

Margaret, the wife of Captain Robert davies died at Mostyn Quay Dec 25th 1884 aged 76.

T x

I also have a newspaper clipping of his death, and the boats he had captained are listed...

The Black Diamond 1829
The Taliesin
The Vesta
The Satellite
...and lastly The Prince of Wales (which belonged to Sir Edward Bates)

Captain davies retired in 1869 when The Prince of Wales Steamer was sold.

His remains are interred at Whitford Churchyard.

Linda,

have you had any contact with these guys at our local record office in connection with your search, you will find them most helpful.


The Old Rectory
Rectory Lane
Hawarden
CH5 3NR
Wales

Tel: 01244 532364

Email: [email protected]
Website: http://www.flintshire.gov.uk/archives

Annx

OK, found an advertisement for his ship the Prince of Wales... boasting 1 hour trips from Liverpool

It's got sailing time and fares, i need an email address to send this info to.

It appears these ad's first start Sept 13th 1862, and are placed weekely for quite some months.


Tracey x

Hey LK

I'm here.... i could do with a brief recap over what we are looking for and what you need to me to find.

Did Captain Robert davies marry a lady called Margaret Crabb at St Phillips Church Cheshire, September 1831?

This Captain Davies is listed as being from Liverpool, the exact date of the marriage is Tuesday Sept 13th 1831.


Tracey x

I have asked someone to help with the newspapers.


They are streets in Mostyn but with some of them there is only one house.
There is some inconsistence in how many streets there are for each census.

These are the Mostyn streets for 1911

Bychton Cottages Whitford Holywell Flintshire
Colliery Yard Marsh Row Whitford Holywell Flintshire
Cross Lane Whitford Holywell Flintshire
Glandon Cottages Whitford Holywell Flintshire
Marsh Row Whitford Holywell Flintshire
Mostyn Quay Whitford Holywell Flintshire
Park Way Whitford Holywell Flintshire
Penroe Cottages Whitford Holywell Flintshire
Pont Y Row Whitford Holywell Flintshire
Ponty Row Whitford Holywell Flintshire
Pot Works Mostyn Quay Whitford Holywell Flintshire
Railway Cottages Marsh Row Whitford Holywell Flintshire
St Thomas Pit The Quay Whitford Holywell Flintshire
The Park Way