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Trying to locate my GG Grandfather and his parents.
Edward Evans born abt 1855/60 Wrexham Wales.
Father Thomas Evans, born Wales.

Edward married Helena Rosina Carpenter (known as Ellen) b 1860 Bristol.
They married in 1907 at St. Marys Church, Walton on the Hill, Liverpool.

Any help would be much appreciated. This is a total brickwall for this family.

Barbara

Edward & Rosina married in 1907, you say she was born in 1860, which makes her 47 when they married. How many children did they have?

seems very late to me, as you think he was even older. how old are they on the marrage cert?

Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
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CARPENTER Helena Rosina W.Derby 8b 530
EVANS Edward W. Derby 8b 530

I'll have a look for you but with the name 'Evans' in Wales!

x

Sorry but there are too many to pin him down.

You need the marriage certificate to get his and the fathers occupations to stand any chance of finding them

x

Please can you list children and any dates?

Also, have you looked at the 1911 census?

Rose

Is this them?

1901 England Census
about Ellen Evans
Name: Ellen Evans
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Bristol

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary the Virgin
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 267
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Evans 48 Wrexham
Ellen Evans 39
Edward Evans 6
Walter Evans 4
Ellen Evans 10 months
Sarah Evans 10 months


Rose

1861

is this her?

Helena Rosena Carpenter
Age: 8 Mo
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: St Philips Bristol

Civil parish: Bristol St Philip and St Jacob
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip and St Jacob
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image

Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: St Philip and Jacob
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
George Carpenter 32
Margaret Carpenter 32
Thomas M Carpenter 12
Sarah Ann Carpenter 9
Esther Amelia Carpenter 7
George Martin Carpenter 5
Albert George Carpenter 2
Helena Rosena Carpenter 8 Mo

1911
EVANS, Edward Head Married M 56 1855 Labourer General Wrexham Wales VIEW
EVANS, Ellen Wife Married
31 years F 56 1855 Gloucestershire Bristol VIEW
EVANS, Edward Son Single M 19 1892 Carter Cartman Lanc Bootle VIEW
EVANS, Walter Son Single M 16 1895 Nil Lanc Bootle VIEW
EVANS, Thomas Son M 9 1902 School Lanc Bootle VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
22423 Reference:
RG14PN22423 RG78PN1322 RD455 SD5 ED17 SN164

Registration District:
West Derby Sub District:
Bootle Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Bootle cum Linacre

Address:
53 Clifford St Bootle Lancashire County:
Lancashire

1891:

1891 England Census
about Edward Evans
Name: Edward Evans
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Wrexham, Wales
Civil parish: Kirkdale
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Kirkdale
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Evans 36
Ellen Evans 32
George E Evans 8
Albert Evans 2

Rose

it is remotely possible that they pretended to be married, or for some other reason were unable to get married until 1907

you need to get certificates to confirm anything

From the 1911 census, and considering they had been married 31 years and their first child was born in bootle,
then this would seem the most likely marriage:


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Marriages Mar 1879 (>99%)
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***EVANS Edward W. Derby 8b 455
HALES Emily W. Derby 8b 455
Morton John W. Derby 8b 455
***Redman Ellenor W. Derby 8b 455

Are you sure the info you put in your first post is correct?

What other info do you have on them please?

Do you think that the couple in the 1911 is the correct one, if so, I am sure you have the wrong marriage.

Can you tell us all you know and how you have got back to them please?

Dea x

In the above marriage Edward Evans married Emily Hales.

Rose

Thanks Rose,

I am not doubting your word but how do you know that please?

Thanks,

Dea x

OOOhhh ! I have answered my own question here - Lancs BMD - Thanks,

Dea Xxx

P.S. - Another theory bites th dust !!

Dea Xxx

There is still something 'not quite right' here though!

We need more info from Barbara!!

Dea x

hi

have you got the marriage certificate because you have not and do get it the fathers occupation will help sort out all those Thomas + wife on the 1861 census and there are several

Ann

I agree Ann - she must get the cert to work backwards from there!!

Dea x

Hi all,
Sorry for not replying sooner, didn't realise I did not get notification when a msg arrived.

The info everyone has found on census 1891 1901 1911 is correct.
I do have the marriage cert for Edward and Ellen (Helena Rosina Carpenter) and yes it is the 1907 marriage. I have never been able to find an earlier marriage. The witnesses on the marriage certificate are Ester Amelia, her sister and her husband, William Robt Almond who were married just prior to Edward and Ellen on the same day. Edward and Ellen were witnesses for Esther and William. They were married at St. Marys Kirkdale. I have both Certificates.

To prove that I am on the right track I have my grandfather's death certificate from New Zealand and it has his mother as Helena Rosina Carpenter.

What I would love to find is the birth and death registration of Edward and any other information on him, prior to 1891 and any other sibblings Edward may have had.
His father's name was Thomas. He was deceased in 1907 when Edward married Ellen.
I only know that Edward was born in Wrexham.......this according to the Census. I had been told by my mother that we had Welsh connections.

It would be also nice to be able to find information on Edward and Ellen's other children. I have never heard of any other siblings of my grandfather mentioned by him.
I think at present I am on the track of Walter Evans b 1895, found a marriage to an Ellen Ankers which could match up. But proving it is "Walter" from my family is proving quite difficult. I can only find both Ellen and Walter up to 1911. They were married, if it is them in 1916. Here the trail stops unfortunately

I am currently awaiting the death cert of Helena (Ellen) father George. Delayed with the Volcanic Ash incident. Hopefully this week. Has been nearly a month now.

Sorry for the long winded reply, but will check more often from now on.
Thank you to everyone's help here, it is much appreciated.

I omitted to say in my last post that I have not been able to locate George Edward Evans b 1882 to Edward and Ellen. Have his birth certificate.
He does not appear on the 1901 census and that is where I have lost him.

I do have my grandfather, Albert Martin Evans b 1889, have his birth cert, on the 1901 census at the Everton Industrial School. He trained as a shoemaker and had a business in Bootle.......I think. He also had a Chiropodist Business here in Christchurch, New Zealand.
Albert Martin info is not a problem.

If I can find information on George Edward b 1882, Toxteth Park would be great.

Births Sep 1882 (>99%)
Evans George Edward Toxteth Park 8b 208
Postem added to FreeBMD website
GRO Birth certificate of George Edward Evans.

B 21st May 1882 at 84? Cleopas Street, Toxteth Park.
Parents Edward Evans b Wrexham abt 1853 and Helena Rosina Carpenter (aka Ellen) born Bristol 1860.

does the marriage certif of Edward and Ellen give the occupation of father Thomas Evans if so what is it?