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Thanks Choccy :-D

1911


Reg. District: Brentford
Sub District: Brentford
Parish: Brentford
Enum. District: 54
Address: 84 Brook Road Brentford
County: Middlesex

RUSSELL, John Head Married M 43 1868 Gas Stoker Middlesex Brentford
RUSSELL, Mary Wife Married
15 years F 43 1868 Surrey Kingston

No children born

Ooooh thank you Christina, it looks very likely because that's the address I have just been looking at for her father :-0 will go and check but definitely Distillery rd because nearly all the family lived in it at one time or another, many thanks :-D

Maybe this one?

1901 England Census
Name: Mary J Russell
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John E Russell
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingston, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Old Brentford
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Brentford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 15 Distillery Road

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 206
Piece: 1194
Folio: 70
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
John E Russell 31....Labourer, Gas Worker....Brentford.
Mary J Russell 32


Marriages Mar 1895 (>99%)
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Hilton Marian Constance Brentford 3a 87
>>>>Russell John Edward Brentford 3a 87
Webster Joseph Edward Brentford 3a 87
>>>>Whitman Mary Jane Brentford 3a 87

Well I still haven't found Harriet, but I would be grateful if someone could have a look perhaps on FMP please?, for her sister Mary as per this census

1881 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Whitman
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Whitman
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingston, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Ealing
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: Phoenix Cottages Brook Road
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1347
Folio: 112
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
James Whitman 45
Mary Ann Whitman 12 <<<<<<<<<
James Wm. Whitman 8
Caroline M. Whitman 7
Elizabeth Whitman 5

After this census Mary ( who is Mary Ann here but Mary Jane b 1869 Kingston, on freebmd) disappears just like her sister Harriet :-( There are two marriages, for a Mary Whetman 1890 and 1907...both I have looked at and discounted, the first because the birth year and location is out and the second because 'Whetman' is not the maiden name ( widow).

Any inspired ideas gratefully received

:-D

Deaths Dec 1884 (>99%)
WETMON James 47 Wandsworth 1d 372

Ann Sarah d. 1878 Wandsworth

HI
did you get any of the marriage certs of Georgina to see if HArriet was perhaps a witness?

THE very last try...a challenge to anyone who thinks they can find her where I've failed ? ;) Go on, you know you can't resist lol.

Thankyou

Giving this one last nudge...I have tried every combination i can think of in search facility (Ancestry and freebmd)
for Harriet Louisa Whetman.

Nothing after the 1871 ( see original post), no marriage, death, ...any ideas clever people?!

xx

Oh did someone post something interesting and the delete ?! eek...

I have trawled through all the marriages of a 'Harriet Louisa ?' on Freebmd, Kingston and Surrey, likewise deaths and nothing as yet .

I am still in search of Harriet Louisa, if anyone has any further inspiration? The surname is often mistranscribed as Whiteman, or Whitman ( and has also been Whatman) but just cannot find Harriet after 1871. no marriage or death .

Name: Harriet Louisa Whetman
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Kingston
County: Middlesex, Surrey

thanks xx

Ivy thanks for looking, Ann S Whetman (whitman) is Harriets older sister born 1861 ( and is my gt grandmother) so not her I'm afraid.

Elusive isn't she!

I tried looking on the 1881 census for any females born between 1861 and 1865, born in Dit* Sur*. There are about 140 or so, but scanning down and ignoring daughters, there are sometimes surnames repeated for sisters who are in service.

There are two Whitman girls listed: one is Georgena Whitman age 17, and the other is this one

Name: Ann S. Whitman
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Thames Ditton, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Ealing
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: 26 Kew Bridge Road ((Waggon & Horses))
Occupation: Dom Servant

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 21

Household Members:
Name Age
James Thaxter 55
Mary A. Thaxter 55
Alfred Thaxter 17
Thomas Waight 24
Mary Bishop 46
Ann S. Whitman 19

Although the entry is written clearly by the enumerator as Ann S Whitman age 19, I wonder if there was an error in arriving at the census entry, or have you managed to discount this one?

Alternatively, has she become Ann, since she is the eldest daughter of Ann? I see that James is a widower by 1881.

quick nudge in case anyone is inspired tonight :)

Thanks for that Pam I will look into it a bit more...

still no sign of Harriet louisa Whetman though

I think this is possibly Georgina's (born 1890) marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
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ENGLISH Herbert R ( Tattam) Bethnal G 1c 366a
Tattam Georgina M (English) Bethnal Green 1c 366A


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
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English May L Langford Bethnal G. 1c 276

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Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
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English Herbert W Langford W.Ham 4a 599


Perhaps Georgina was raised by the Tattam family.

Possible marriage for daughter Georgina

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
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Langford Georgina M Bethnal G 1c 366
MORGAN Joseph A C Bethnal G 1c 366
Tilyard Lilian M Bethnal G. 1c 366

One spouse missing from list

Thanks for that Pam :)

I looked on the 1871 and couldn't see her...didn't think to check the1861.

England Census
about Georgina M Lumn
Name: Georgina M Lumn
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Thames Ditton, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Greenford
Ecclesiastical parish: Greenford Holy Cross
Town: Greenford
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Acton
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 100
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Lumn 47
Georgina M Lumn 37
Georgina M Lumn 12
Purey A Lumn 3 (Percy Albert)
George Hirams 43 Boarder, Adderbury, Oxfordshire


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1206; Folio: 118; Page: 16.



September 1898
LUNN Percy Albert Brentford 3a 65