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Does anyone have access to the 1851 Dublin Census (substitute) who would be willing to look up Andrew McNab (or poss mis-spelt MacNab)

No idea what level of detail it would include but he was born in Dundee Scotland about 1830/33. His middle name was 'Aedie' in case that's included.

He was in the army so possibly stationed at Richmond Barracks Dublin.

Many thanks if anyone can help!

Julie

Thanks Jonesey. I know that to my sorrow as one half of my family tree comes from Ireland but I understand there is a census substitute, for Dublin specifically, in 1851-available on CD so wondered if anyone had it.

Julie

Hi Jooleh,
Sorry can't help you with Ireland, but this is Andrew's birth.

ANDREW AEDIE MACNAB Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 12 MAR 1833 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: ANDREW MACNAB Family
Mother: MARGARET DICK


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Kath

Kath - thank you! Haven't had much luck with my McNabs on family search up to now. I have him on the 1841 census aged 7 and the 1861 aged 29 but I think he lied about his age when leaving the army to join the police force in 1852 because he said he was 22. His daughter was born Dublin 1851 and I think his regiment/battalion was stationed there so just trying to tie up a loose end..

How did you find him Kath? Just done a basic search for that birth and it's not showing. I wonder if I'm not using the site to it's full extent?

Thanks

Julie

Joolah....Not the Dublin connection you were looking for but these are Brothers and sisters of Andrew...

1. ANDREW AEDIE MACNAB - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 12 MAR 1833 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

2. EUPHEMIA YOUNG MACNAB - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 13 MAR 1838 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

3. THOMAS DICK MACNAB - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 13 NOV 1831 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

4. MARJORY MCNAB - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 23 JUL 1836

5. MARJORY MCNAB - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 JUL 1836 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

Thanks Eringobragh. That's all of them apart from Margaret Young Mcnab.

I can see they all appear when searching on the parent's names but I still can't find Andrew by just searching on him alone.

Julie

Joolah....
The only Mgt.Young McNabb I can find find was born to parents Thomas McNab and Martha Young Downie...Dundee 17 Dec1834.
Was the Mgt.Young McNabb a ? sister of Andrew...

Jooleh...
Is this Margaret...Not "Young" McNabb but "Dick".....


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MARGARET DICK MCNAB Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 01 MAR 1840

Christening: 22 MAR 1840 Monifieth, Angus, Scotland

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: W._W A. MCNAB Family
Mother: MARGARET DICK

Jooleh...

How complicated can you get...

2 Marriages for a Andrew MacNabb to a Margaret Dick
one Dec 19th 1830 Monifieth Angus.
Another Dec 29th Dundee...
Work that out...!!!

Well that's really interesting........ I have them in 1841 which of course doesn't give their relationship to each other (Marjory is elsewhere):


1841 Scotland Census
about Andrew Macnab
Name: Andrew Macnab
[Andrew McNab]
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Gender: Male
Where born: Angus, Scotland

Civil parish: Monifieth
County: Angus
Address: B Ferry Fort Hill Cottage 1
Parish Number: 310
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Ander Macnab 39
Margaret Macnab 32
Thoe Duel Macnab 9
Andrew Macnab 7
Margaret Macnab 4
Euphemie Young Macnab 3
Margaret Young Macnab 1
Mrs. Milward 60
Mrs. Min Macnab 36
Grace More 19

See there are 2 Margaret McNabs.I assumed the 4 year old belonged to Mrs Min McNab.

The children's grandfather was Thomas Dick (famousish in his day) an astronomer and writer. I have found a lot on him by googling. One of the articles I found was a letter he wrote saying that his daughter and her husband (Margaret Dick and Andrew McNab) died within 13 days of each other in 1843 leaving him with 5 grandchildren to take care of. I assumed therefore that Margaret was one of them.

I believe (but none of this is verified) that Thomas Dick was married at least 3 times. First wife was Elizabeth Aedie hence Andrew's middle name. Second wife was Euphemia Young hence the two youngest middle names. Again giving me reason to think Margaret was their daughter.

I also did free searches on Scotlands People using their names and their parents to get a match but since you posted that I've gone back to Margaret & can't get a match so perhaps I didn't check her out when I did the others. Intriguing... I'll have to take a fresh look.

Thank you!

Julie

You posted again whilst I was typing! Well I assume the transcriber for Ancestry made an error and put Young instead of Dick - can't access the images for Scotland on Ancestry.

As for the marriages - I'll have to absorb that.......

Thanks

Julie

Could one of the records be Banns and the other their marriage??

Wonder why Margaret's father is given as W A.....Just thinking out loud.................

Jooleh...

It appears there are 2 McNabb (Variations) and Dick families ....
The Marriages are distinct...
1 Dundee
2 Monifieth.

Are you certain yours are the "Monifieth ones"..? If so then the Thomas Dick you mention is living in Cottage No 3 on the 1841 Census..(next door to Andrew and Margaret) ...his occupation "Literary Avocation"

I cannot explain the W-WA McNabb for Margaret's Birth entry...most likely a transcription error..also below...(1841 Census)

There is only 1 Margaret (Child) aged 1 listed ..the other is "Marjory" aged 4

Hi Jooleh,
I found Andrew's birth on www.familysearch.org

Andrew's parents marriage.

ANDREW MCNAB Pedigree
Male Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: MARGARET DICK Family
Marriage: 29 DEC 1830 Dundee, Angus, Scotland



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

The banns were also read in Monifieth, Angus, so either Andrew or Margaret came from there.

Kind Regards
Kath

Hi Again,
Margaret Young McNab is the daughter of Thomas Mcnab & Martha Young Downie.
The Thomas is on your post with the 1841 Census, listed as Thoe Duel Macnab. A brother of Andrew Aedie McNab.

THOMAS DICK MACNAB Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 13 NOV 1831 Dundee, Angus, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: ANDREW MACNAB Family
Mother: MARGARET DICK


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Kath

Hi Eringobragh - yes I'm 100% certain of that family and yes Thomas Dick living next door (with a very mixed bunch of people!). You must be seeing a different transcript to me. Does it definitely say 'Marjory' aged 4? I did wonder about that previously but then I found a Marjory in another household & thought she was visiting elsewhere (well that's what my notes say-it was some time ago).

I got Thomas Dick's & Andrew Aedie McNab's wills from Scotlands People - it was great finding those! There's also one for Andrew's father and Thomas Dick son of Thomas Dick but it was starting to get expensive & I felt I had gleaned a lot from other two anyway.

Thanks for your interest and input

Julie

Hi Kath

I surmised it was familysearch you were using but I just can't seem to pull up the same records. What am I doing wrong? Do I need to do something in advanced search or pilot records or something like that?

Thomas Dick McNab went to Australia sometime prior to 1852 (when he married there). He posted some very useful obituaries for his brother and grandfather in the Sydney Morning Herald! I can't see him being the father of Margaret Young Mcnab as she was born 1834, maybe her father Thomas McNab was Andrew senior's brother?

Thanks for all your help

Julie

Jooleh....1841 Census...

1841 Census
10 Records found


Piece: SCT1841/310 Place: Monifieth -Angus Enumeration District: 8
Civil Parish: Monifieth Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 8 Page: 1
Address: B. Ferry Fort Hill Cottage 1



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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MACNAB Andw M 39 Teacher Outside Census County (1841)
MACNAB Margaret F 32 Outside Census County (1841)
MACNAB Thos Dick M 9 Angus
MACNAB Andw M 7 Angus
MACNAB Margery F 4 Angus
MACNAB Euphemia Young F 3 Angus
MACNAB Margaret Young F 1 Angus
MILN Mrs Snr F 60 Angus
MILN Mrs Jnr F 30 Outside Census County (1841)
MORE Grace F 19 Female Servant Outside Census County (1841)

Thank you - especially if you are using your SP credits for me! So 'Ancestry' have Marjory (Margery) mistranscribed as Margaret.

Strange though that Margaret aged 1 has middle name 'Young' when her birth record says it's 'Dick'. Perhaps they couldn't remember what names they'd given - they haven't included 'Aedie' for Andrew.

I found Margaret and Euphemia in a charitable school in Edinburgh in 1851 so I'll go and dig them out of my shoebox and see if they had middle names then............

Julie

EDIT They are together in John Watsons Institute aged 11 & 13 but no middle names.