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well done julie,you sound like you are enjoying yourself,this cropper line is comming together nicely now thanks to you.

just found on a bit of paper elizabeth was in burnley in 1891

Hmmm not so happy about this 1891 entry. Looks like she is Elizabeth Ann-so what happened to the middle name Hannah? She is born Royton though.

Ancestry have totally mistranscribed this entry, calling them Fitzgerald after another family on the page so I have edited it to show what's on the image:

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Am Cropper
Name: Elizabeth Am Cropper
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Royton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Habergham Eaves
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Burnley
Sub-registration district: Burnley
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Neighbors: View others on page
Mary Ann Cropper 35 wife
Mary Ellen Lord 14 dau
Walter Cropper 9 son
Elizabeth Am Cropper 21 sister in law

Richard is not there.

The main thing that leads us to believe she is the right Elizabeth Cropper is the birthplace as per Lancashire bmd:

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1869
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
CROPPER Elizabeth Hannah Royton Oldham GREENWOOD

But I'm a bit concerned about the possible name difference. perhaps someone else could give an opinion.

Will check back in tomorrow after work.............

Julie

thanks for your work julie

could this be parents marriageView Record

John Ashworth 1849 Rochdale Greater Manchester, Lancashire
......... Edmund Cropper 1849 Rochdale Greater Manchester, Lancashire
......... Mary Greenwood 1849 Rochdale Greater Manchester, Lancashire
James Schofield 1849 Rochdale Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Ann Taylor 1849 Rochdale Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Sarah Taylor 1849 Rochdale Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Isaac Whatmough 1849 Rochdale Greater Manchester, Lancashire
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Ann Wood 1849 Rochdale Greater Manchester, Lancashire

hi dorothy
thanks for your info,yes it is 1849 in rochdale
regards martyn

hi julie
in 1871/ 81 it is just elizabeth.
in 1891/1901 it is elizabeth a.
in the oldham area the h is often left out on pronunciation,
so hannah would sound anna when spoken ,only a thought

no cert today!
i think it is waiting for jan to come back

Ha ha Martyn - being a yorkshire lass I know all about dropped 'h's!
At least Jan may have got some decent sleep being away from this thread!

Julie

evening julie

well just got back and thought it would be all sorted!!!!
will have to catch up with latest postings on Cropper family now

been trying to find the birth of john edward with no luck,if he was registered just john it will be a bit of a task ,not certain of his birth place he said wales mother had him down as crewe there are loads just john.they dont make it easy do they

welcome back jan

Hi,thanks Martyn , well even 2nd class it MUST get to you tomorrow i would hope

i think it knows you are waiting for it ,so now you are back it will come tomorrow.(typed while holding breath)

Welcome back Jan. Be interested to know if you think we've got the right Elizabeth Cropper.

EDIT Just rechecked and there is no other Elizabeth Cropper born Oldham in the right time frame so I'm pretty convinced now that it's her.

If JEJ 'was' born in Crewe there are 2 in 1872 and 1 in 1878 in Chester on FreeBMD.

Julie

Jooleh, will look at it fully tomorrow, it looks good though.
Martyn i wonder what info was on his death cert,not sure that they put informents name then.
Pity i haven't been able to find any ww1 records for him as you said he was in the army (info from the birth cert)

not sure jan,i think that info will come when gene gets back,lots of certs&facts to come.

guess what jan,
NO CERT.

Well i suppose i'd better do some housework then!! wonder if they have posted it or do you live in Lands End or some remote Island!!!!!!!!!!!!

maybe the jones dont want anymore skeletons out of the cupboard