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the only suggestion I have left is to look for a will for Isaac - on the other hand Isaac may have been fictitious

I agree none of those on family search look right

as Joseph died relatively young it might also be worth looking for a will for him. He may have named a brother/sister

Im sorry Melody,I cant find them in 1841 at all.

I have run out of ideas now.

hi fanny
yes i have tried family search and found the same 3 as you but as they were not in todmorden i didnt think any of them were him

Have you tried on here for a baptism with father Isaac?

www.familysearch.org

There are 3,all in Yorkshire.

But none in 1837.

1842,1834 and 1831

thanks, can you find the family in 1841 i have tried on here but not found anything so far, i was going to try and order josephs birth cert to find his mother but when i looked on fbmd there was quite a few to pick from in the todmorden area for 1837 as i reckon that was the year of josephs birth, as i have him down as dying in 1888 age 51

Tong Bridge - it no longer exists but there is a Tong Lane, Bacup and a Tong End Whitworth.

so far I agree with FBG

definitely Winder for Joseph (common cotton mill occupation)

John S..... but fairly sure not Stafford possibly Shaw

will keep looking - will get Mary's address eventually - I've got a map somewhere

So...No occupation for either father,so I presume they are deceased at time of marriage(most likely)

Looks like it says Winder for Josephs occupation and Mary is a Knitter.

Joseph lived at King Street.

The other witness is John ??? But not a Greenwood ,might be Stafford at a stretch,but a long stretch I would think.

The registrar/vicar had a terrible hand for writing I must say.

I have to go do a few things now,back later..

have emailed copies of the cert thanks again for the help

PM sent with email address.

The 1851 that Ann has.

GREENWOOD, Hannah Head Widow F 53 1798
Stansfield
Yorkshire
GREENWOOD, John Son Unmarried M 26 1825 Stone Masons Labourer
Stansfield
Yorkshire
GREENWOOD, Joseph Son Unmarried M 14 1837 Doffer (Cotton)
Stansfield
Yorkshire
SUTCLIFFE, John Visitor Unmarried M 33 1818 Labourer At A Corn Mill
Stansfield
Yorkshire

Registration District:
Todmorden Sub District:
Todmorden Enumeration District:
1I Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Municipal Borough:
Address:
Canteen County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

one of the witnesses looks like a thomas roberts i cant make out the name of the other one,
if you could pm me your email address i could send you a copy and see if you can make out the second witness and the occupations of joseph and mary.

found this one as a possible 1851

Canteen Hannah Greenwood head widow 33 Yorks, Stansfield
John Greenwood son u 26 stone masons labourer Yorks, Stansfield
Joseph Greenwood son 14 cotton doffer Yorks, Stansfield
John Sutcliffe visitor u 33 labourer at corn mill Yorks, Stansfield

Todmorden was Yorks by 1851 but Lancs in 1841 (apart from the district of Langfield - not sure about Stansfield)
Canteen was the address - an area near to the hamlet of Portsmouth!

It was just a guess really Ann as it had father Isaac and I couldnt find another.

Shame Isaacs occupation cant be deciphered.

On 1871 he says born in Lancashire and he is dead by 1891 so no more census to cross ref his birth place with unfortunately.

And I dont know Yorkshire very well for places which does not help.

No I dont think you are wrong Melody ,but a lot of people were not really sure when they were born as birthdays were not a priority in the grinding poverty that lot of them lived in ,so whe asked their age at any time they took a wild guess.
Also a lot of them were illiterate of course.

Are the witnesses on the marriage any of the Greenwood family?

sorry FBG but I don't think that 1851 is right.

Joseph in 1881 states he was born in Todmorden which would be more consistent with children born in Bacup & Stacksteads. Trouble is there are a lot of Greenwoods in the Todmorden area - Greenwood Greenwood is even a fairly common name. I have several Greenwoods from that area in my tree.
Most of them were spinners too or connected in some form with the mills

edit - just found a lovely Joseph Greenwood on the 1851 on Todmorden site - age 59 occupation "late publican (out of bounds)"

hi fanny
thanks for the help, on the marriage cert joseph is down age 24 which would make his birth year c1840, yet all the other imformation i have on him indicates that he was born around 1837, and the 1851 census you found he is down as 1842, do you think i have gone wrong somewhere?
kind regards
melody.x

Maybe 1851.

Joseph has the correct occupation.


GREENWOOD, Isaac Head Married M 26 1825 Wool Comber
Keighley
Yorkshire
GREENWOOD, Cathrine Wife Married F 29 1822
Keighley
Yorkshire
GREENWOOD, Joseph Son Unmarried M 9 1842 Worsted Spinner
Keighley
Yorkshire
GREENWOOD, Hugh Son Unmarried M 8 1843 Worsted Spinner
Keighley
Yorkshire
GREENWOOD, George Son Unmarried M 2 1849
Keighley
Yorkshire
GREENWOOD, John Son Unmarried M 0 (11 MOS) 1851
Keighley
Yorkshire
WADE, Ann Mother-In-Law F 52 1799 Domestic Duties
Keighley
Yorkshire

Registration District:
Keighley Sub District:
Keighley Enumeration District:
4P Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Keighley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Laycock, Keighley County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

hi fanny and ann
i recieved the marriage cert today for joseph greenwood and mary stafford
married in 1864 once again there ages change joseph down as 24 and mary down as 22 at time of marriage, i cant make out josephs occupation on the cert, his father is down a isaac greenwood could you help me find any other children for isaac and his wife please.
kind regards
melody.x

You will not find births before sept 1837 on Freebmd as civil registration did not start until then.

You need to get her marriage cert to get her fathers name and occupation to be able to find her on earlier census.

There are too many to choose from.
And she changes her birth year on most census,but her favourite place of birth is Bakewell Drebyshire.


Marriages Sep 1864
---------------

Greenwood Joseph Haslingden 8e 122
Stafford Mary Haslingden 8e 122

hi ann and fanny was wondering if you could help me find mary staffonds/ stafford parents i have her down as being born in bakewell derbyshire on the 1881 census i belive she was born around 1836 give or take 2 years i have tried fbmd but cant find anything, any help would be much appreciated
kind regards
mel.xx

great when something comes out good