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I need help with my 3x greatgrandfather. He was James Shaw born about 1791 in the Huddersfield area. I thought I'd got him pinned down from another tree as married to a Betty Leach but the more I look at it the more I realise I don't have enough evidence and may be off the mark.
What I do know is that I have him in the 1861 census as a widower living with son James (b1820) and his wife Mary nee Baxter in Lockwood/Golcar. I know for certain this is the right family because the boy also there is John Hellawell Shaw my great grandad who like me has Hellawell as a middle name.
I would appreciate help in confirming or redirecting me if I have indeed taken the wrong path

poss but not born hudds but saddleworth
James Shaw
Birth 1793
Saddleworth,
Yorkshire
Death
parents James Shaw () Lydia Liley ()
Spouse & Children
Mary (-1841)
Henry Shaw (1824-1898)
James Shaw (1825-)
Esther Shaw (1827-1887)
Edward Shaw (1830-1871)
. .Timeline 1793
Birth
Saddleworth, Yorkshire
1793
15 DecChristening
Saddleworth,
Yorkshire
citations
Saddleworth parish register (IGI) 1841
Age: 48 Occupation
Royton
, Lancashire
Cotton spinner1851
Age: 58 Occupation
Royton,
Lancashire
Cotton weaver.
Members Parents
James Shaw
Lydia Liley
Show siblings
Jonathan Shaw 1791 –
Samuel Shaw 1797 –
Hannah Shaw 1799 –
Robert Shaw 1801 –
Rufus Shaw 1804 –
William Shaw 1805 –
Martha Shaw 1811 –
Spouse & Children
Mary – 1841
Henry Shaw 1824 – 1898
James Shaw 1825 –
Esther Shaw 1827 –
Edward Shaw 1830 – 1871

Hi found him in 1851 census
1851 census

Name James Shaw
Age 58
Estimated Year of Birth 1793
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Woollen Flubber
Address 346 Job Of Ing
District Huddersfield, Lockwood
Parish
Administrative County Yorkshire
Birth Place Longwood
Birth County Yorkshire
in house
james head 58
betty wife 58
allan son 18
HO 107 / 2296

1851 England Census
Name: James Shaw
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1793
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Betty
Gender: Male
Where born: Longwood, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Longwood
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: Top of Ing

Occupation: Woollen Stubber

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Lockwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members:
Name Age
James Shaw 58
Betty Shaw 53 - Burler
Allan Shaw 18 - Woollen Mule Spinner

All born Longwood

1861 census

Name James Shaw
Age 70
Estimated Year of Birth 1791
Relationship to Head of Household Father
Occupation ?
Address 607 Top Of Ing
District Huddersfield, Golcar
Parish
Administrative County Yorkshire
Birth Place Longwood
Birth County Yorkshire
in house
james head 40
mary wife 43
john h son 17
ellen ? daughter 21
james shaw father 70
sarah grandaughter 1
RG 9 / 3272

1841 England Census
Name: James Shaw
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Huddersfield
Hundred: Agbrigg (Upper Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: Cottage

Occupation: Wool Spinner

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Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Golcar
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Shaw 45
Betty Shaw 42
Allen Shaw 8

Results for:
Father: James Shaw, Mother: Betty

Batch Number: C093571

1. EDMOND SHAW - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 13 FEB 1819 Salendine Nook Meeting House-Particular Baptist, Quarmby Cum Lindley, Yorkshire, England
2. TOMEY SHAW - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 14 MAY 1820 Salendine Nook Meeting House-Particular Baptist, Quarmby Cum Lindley, Yorkshire, England
3. JAMES SHAW - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 18 DEC 1820 Salendine Nook Meeting House-Particular Baptist, Quarmby Cum Lindley, Yorkshire, England
4. SUSANNAH SHAW - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 10 AUG 1822 Salendine Nook Meeting House-Particular Baptist, Quarmby Cum Lindley, Yorkshire, England
5. ELISABETH SHAW - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 25 SEP 1824 Salendine Nook Meeting House-Particular Baptist, Quarmby Cum Lindley, Yorkshire, England
6. JOHN SHAW - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 28 OCT 1826 Salendine Nook Meeting House-Particular Baptist, Quarmby Cum Lindley, Yorkshire, England
7. SARAH ANN SHAW - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 06 AUG 1829 Salendine Nook Meeting House-Particular Baptist, Quarmby Cum Lindley, Yorkshire, England
8. ALLEN SHAW - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 21 JUL 1832 Salendine Nook Meeting House-Particular Baptist, Quarmby Cum Lindley, Yorkshire, England
9. JOSEPH SHAW - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 13 SEP 1833 Salendine Nook Meeting House-Particular Baptist, Quarmby Cum Lindley, Yorkshire, England

1851 England Census
Name: James Shaw
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Longwood, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Longwood
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 360 Longwood Gate [Longwood Gate is also on father's census page, Top of Ing.]

Occupation: Engineer


Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Lockwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 86
Household Members:
Name Age
James Shaw 31
Mary Shaw 32 - Burler; Inthwaite
John Hellawel Shaw 7 - scholar
Ellen Eliza Ann Baxter 11 - step-daughter

Marriages Jun 1843
>>>>Baxter Mary Huddersfield 22 184
BOOTHROYD Edward Iredale Huddersfield 22 184
BOOTHROYD Edward Judas Huddersfield 22 184
CROSLAND Ann Huddersfield 22 184
FISHER Christiana Huddersfield 22 184
INMAN James Huddersfield 22 184
>>>>SHAW James Huddersfield 22 184
Tate Christopher Huddersfield 22 184
WALKER Ann Huddersfield 22 184

Well done Ozi and Pollypoppet

It does tie up but where are all the kids in 1841 and 1851. Okay my James may have left home because I know he gets married to Mary in 1843 and has my great grandad John Shaw Hellawell but where are all the others certainly John 1926 downwards - there is only Alan left - did they all die, which was not unknown for kids in those days.

Also do you think the Betty is a Leach as I originally thought and who are James's (1793) parents

1841 England Census
Name: James Shaw
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Huddersfield
Hundred: Agbrigg (Upper Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: Clough Mill

Occupation: Engineer

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Golcar
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Shaw 20

He's living next door to Edmund Shaw c1821, Clothier, address Clough Bottom. This could be his elder brother.

1841 England Census
Name: Ellen Baxter
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Almondbury
Hundred: Agbrigg (Upper Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: Smith Riding

Occupation:

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Lockwood
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Baxter 50 - Woollen weaver
Betty Baxter 45
>>>Mary Baxter 25
Hannah Baxter 20
Elizabeth Baxter 15
Emma Baxter 11
Joseph Baxter 7
George Baxter 4
Ellen Baxter 1

All born in county.

1851 England Census
Name: Edmund Shaw
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Longwood, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Longwood
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 462 [no street name though the enumerator's description is "... all that part of the township of Longwood which lies to the west of the footpath from Longwood Gate to Longmoor Bottom ...."]

Occupation: Hand Loom Weaver (Woollen)

Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Lockwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 2c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Household Members:
Name Age
Edmund Shaw 32
Ann Shaw 31
Mary Ann Shaw 11
Jane Shaw 9
James Henry Shaw 7
Titus Shaw 5
Martha Ann Shaw 5 Mo

Continues on census until 1891.

Tomey???

1851 England Census
Name: Thomas Shaw
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Longwood, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Stainland With Old Lindley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: Lowood Hill

Occupation: Heald and Slay Maker

Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Elland
ED, institution, or vessel: 2e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Shaw 29
Sarah Shaw 26
Frances Shaw 3
Sarah Ann Shaw 1

Though I'm not sure that this is James & Betty's Tomey as the previous household on the census page is a John & Mary Shaw. John is born Stainland & also a Heald and Slay Maker.

Heald/Heddle or Yell Manufacturer - Manufacturer of Healds, used on looms. The warp yarns are passed through loops known as Healds, which raise and lower the yarns after the shuttle has passed the weft across the width of the loom.

Slaymaker - Made the reeds or slays used in weaving. Slays (wooden pegs) or reeds were used to separate the threads on the loom.

?????
Marriages Dec 1840
BLACKBURN Alice Huddersfield 22 219
CHARLESWORTH John Huddersfield 22 219
CROWTHER John Huddersfield 22 219
DYSON Alice Huddersfield 22 219
DYSON William Huddersfield 22 219
HORSFALL Joseph Huddersfield 22 219
MARSH Sarah Huddersfield 22 219
>>>>SHAW Susannah Huddersfield 22 219

It looks as though it is all fitting together. I know for certain my James marries Mary Baxter because I got John Hellawell's birth certificate handed down to me. And we know Mary is daughter of Joseph and Betty (nee Hellawell).
Litltle Ellen must be illigitimate

It looks as though we've got his parents and have tracked 3 of his siblings which I thinks confirms. But we still don't know if his mother Betty is a Leach

Actually it looks as though this also cofirms the original tree I copied on Ancestry which names most of these siblings.

I am now convinced my original inputs are correct afterall.
Thanks for all your help

That's great, Harold.

I got called away in the middle of searching for you. Are you happy now, or would you still like the siblings searched for?

As for mother being Betty Leach, I think you'll need to go to parish records for that.

Lancashire Family History Society has Salendine Nook Baptist Church Graveyard Inscriptions A - Z vol 1. Perhaps they have other info.

Ozi

Thanks Ozi - you have been very helpful. How do I access Lancashire Family History Society. Can I do it on line. As you will already have gathered I am new to this game

Sorry for the delay in replying. I live in Australia and sometimes out of synch.

www.lfhhs.org.uk

I saw it in the Fylde Branch page.



Ozi

Australian eh - I'd never have guessed though maybe there was a wee hint in your message board name

My family has along association with Down Under. My dad and grandparents lived in NSW in the 30's and my parents took me and my sister to live in NZ in the fifties.

On that basis I am going to ask you a favour as you are obviously good at this game. I recently posted a thread under the ROBERTS name and could do with the benefit of your experience. Have a look and see if you can help.

They say be careful. Ancestry can throw up unexpected suprises. Well this one rocked my family to the core.

Best regards Harry Bower