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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
230 Lynton Road Bermondsey, Bermondsey, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Edwin Manser Head Married Male Drayman 45 1866 Kent Yalding Transcription
Naomi Julia Manser Wife Married Female - 50 1861 Kent Nedlestead Transcription
Edwin Manser Son Single Male Assistant Dental Manuf 18 1893 London Bermondsey Transcription
John William Manser Son Single Male Assistant Dental Manuf 16 1895 London Bermondsey Transcription
Alice Manser Daughter - Female - 14 1897 London Bermondsey Transcription
James Manser Son - Male School 10 1901 London Bermondsey

Now you can look for the marriage of the parents - also find them both in 1871 and 1881 on the familysearch website

It would be better to start your own thread, rather than latching on to someone else's old one, which probably has no connection

Also, get accurate birth info by looking at freebmd

We are looking for the ancestors of Mr. Edwin Manser, who was born in London in about 1893. His Father was also named Edwin and his siblings (3 brothers and a sister) may have been named William, James John and Alice. Can anybody help please?

Spike, I doubt very much if any of this has been found as a result of Gold membership on here, we have found it from other sources. We don't at all mind helping you, but you must realise when your research is wrong.

Anyway, just as long as you are happy with what we have found.

Best wishes

Margaret

Thanks very much as Im unemployed I can't afford the gold membership as i would have done it myself thanks for all of your hard work. Helen

The family of Maryon/Manser in 1871 is likely not living on any farm at all, certainly not Mands farm. As we have found a perfectly good 1871 census record for the family I am not sure why you led us a merry dance to find another one.

You say you are good at reading old-style writing. The name of the farm two pages earlier is quite clearly WOODLANDS Farm, I didn't even struggle with it, never even considered that was the Mands Farm to which you were referring. It is not "old style writing" at all, but perfectly clear normal writing.

It is likely that only the family of farmers listed against Woodlands Farm are living there, the others are simply somewhere in the parish of Chigwell.

I think the herbal fags and gin have coloured your mind. :-)

Your William G born 1882, litho printer, who married Mabel Anna in 1904, is the son of William Edwin born 1857 in Bethnal Green who was a Brass Finisher and married Ellen Ann Gill in 1880. William Edwin's father was William, a Furniture Japanner (varnisher) and his mother was Eliza Ann Woodley; Ellen Ann's father was George, a bootmaker.

We have found William Edwin and Ellen Ann in 1891 and 1901, with their son William/William G. We haven't found them in 1881 just after their marriage. William Edwin appears to marry a second wife Harriet about 1910.

We have found William Edwin with his parents in 1871 - and it's not at Mand's Farm!

Here he is in 1861:

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1861 England Census
about William E Mauser
Name: William E Mauser
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Eliza A
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Islington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 271a
Household Members: Name Age
William Mauser 27
Eliza A Mauser 21
William E Mauser 4
Henry J Mauser 2
Emma J Hopkings 22
Alfred W Hopkings 1

The Hopkings people are "visitors".

Are you now happy with this Spike?

Spike,
Are you staring at the same image that I am???
What do you think those funny squiggles before "Mands" could possibly mean????

And he is NOT yours.

Maureen

And that he was a printer and that he's Father was a pressmaker brass finisher. Hilda is my Grandmother there are 3 other children Vera, Lily and Ron. Have no idea of when they were born I do have pictures of me with both my GG Parents I'll have to get them from my folks then scan and up load them to my tree

It sure is! Have just spoken to my dad and he said that he's Grandfather worked for a company in London that made guns hence being told that he was a gun smith. Going back to 1871 cencus i viewed the original transcript, again and again it clearly states thats where he is in the household he is grandson. And that he was living on Mands Farm Chigwell Epping Essex.

Okay, basic questions. How are you sure that the William George Manser we found in 1901 is the right man? Do you have his marriage cert to confirm his father's name and occupation?

LOL!!
and he cooked it all himself.
Maureen

Yeah Maureen, I went, had a great time. Missed you.

My oh my-so:

1911 census transcription details for: 25 Walton Road S Plaistow West Ham
RG14PN9439 RG78PN507A RD188 SD3 ED29 SN332

Reg. District: West Ham Sub District: Plaistow
Parish: West Ham Enum. District: 29
Address: 25 Walton Road S Plaistow West Ham
County: Essex

MANSER, William George Head Married M 29 1882 Lithographic Printer London Bethnal Green
MANSER, Mabel Anna Wife Married
6 years F 26 1885 Essexlondon West Ham
MANSER, Stanley William Son M 5 1906 Essexlondon West Ham
MANSER, Hilda Daughter F 3 1908 Essexlondon West Ham

Left the transcription as is from FMPast.

Maureen

Meg-weren't we supposed to show up at Garry David's this evening??

I can see no Mands Farm. Where does it say that Spike?

The apprentice blacksmith who is a grandchild in 1871 is the grandchild of Elizabeth Maryon, living possibly at Woodlands Farm.

My imagination is running wild with the thought of a 2-year old smoking herbal fags, drinking gin and playing the piano.

I am so glad that you are good at reading old style writing, but I can't see anything to read.

There is no mention of the surname Mancer on anyone's postings.

I am totally at a loss as to how to help.

Perhaps you could start again by telling us what you know.

Ah gee! Spike-you can't have two people of the same name as "yours". Pick one.

Maureen

I am barking up the right tree. Im very good at reading old stylie writing it States quite clearly that William George Mancer is Their GRANDSON, and that he is 15 and is an Apprentice Blacksmith. Mands Farm is stated that was were he was living in 1871

HI Maureen looks like the right people as their son went on to marry my G Grandmother in 1904. They had five children Stanley Hilda my Grandmother Vera, Lily or Lillian and Ronald the last two I don't even know if they are alive Lily was about 5 years ago Ron was a bit of drinker!!
Hilda then went on to Marry Francis Swarman in 1935. My Great Grandad Manser was still alive when I turned 2 in1967 the pair of us would smoke herbal fags and drink gin while playing an upright piano the noise was terrible he was always getting into trouble for being a bad role model!!!!!!!!

I think Maureen is on the right track now. No, 1881 is foxing me.

Here's mum and dad:

1881 England Census
about William Manser
Name: William Manser
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Soho, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St James Clerkenwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Rawstorne St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Furniture Japanner

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Goswell Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Manser 49
Eliza A. Manser 41
Henry J. Manser 21
Walter C. Manser 14
Elizabeth A. Manser 9

Too bad it's not her family!

Oh well,this one seems just fine too!
1871 Ancestry
Name: William E Manser
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Eliza A
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, London, England
Civil parish: Islington St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington East
ED, institution, or vessel: 5b
Household schedule number: 534
Household Members:
Name Age
William Manser 37 Occ:Furniture Japanner
Eliza A Manser 31
William E Manser 14
Henry J Manser 11
Walter C Manser 4
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 279; Folio: 80; Page: 31

Name: William Manser Occ:Japanner
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Spouse Name: Eliza Ann Woodley
Spouse Age: 17
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 May 1856
Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
County: London
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Manser Occ:Japanner
Spouse Father Name: John Woodley deceased Occ:Tailor
The witnesses were:James Smart? (bride's father-in-law) and Mary Ann Smart (her mother). So I guess Mary Ann Woodley re-married after John's death.

I can't seem to spot William and Ellen in 1881,though.

Maureen

I was just "slightly" put off by the original posting telling us that he lived with his grandparents James and Matilda Humphreys on a farm and the original question was "have I got something wrong".

Answer yes, the Humphreys are nothing to do with him and they don't live on a farm.

However, I'll let Spike off (just this once) cos his grandma in 1871, a 73-year old widow, is an employer of 2 blacksmiths. Quite an achievement, I would say!