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Me too RR. Are we calling it a day for now then? come back to it tomorrow?

Yes, I'm still here!

I don't think that marriage can be the right one as the groom needs to be Alfred (or if it is the matching marriage to the children, then they are not the right Birchs).

Anyway, thank you all very, very much for your efforts. You've been great.

I'll sign off now but will be back tomorrow evening (busy during the day)!

Sleep well!

ok

Right i'm going over the posts and realised this hasn't been post?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Elizabeth Letitia Chesney
Name: Elizabeth Letitia Chesney
Spouse Name: William Andrew Birch
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1869
Parish: St Andrew, Barnsbury
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Benjamin Joseph Chesney (Carpenter)
Spouse Father Name: John Birch (Shoemaker)

Interestingly Her father's name has been transposed to Benjamin Joseph!
Witnessed by Benjamin Joseph Chesney (singned) & Emma Bagley (signed)

Joseph Chesney/Elizabeth Russell marriage

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Joseph Chesney
Name: Joseph Chesney
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Russell
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 19 Jun 1842
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Robert Chesney
Spouse Father Name: William Pearce

Both are Widowed and this Joseph is a printer.

Incidentally, Joseph Benjamin senior was also a printer... Could our elderly Joseph have married a younger woman and had the 2 children?

As the 1841 census had joseph with an Ann could this be her burial?

London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980
about Ann Elizabeth Chesney
Name: Ann Elizabeth Chesney
Record Type: Burial
Event Date: 22 Feb 1842
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1793
Parish: St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Gives him a bit of time to find another wife?

T x

Here's what i think to be Joseph the son marrying....

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Joseph Benjamin Chesney
Name: Joseph Benjamin Chesney
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Spouse Name: Jane Hulkes
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Apr 1843
Parish: St Alphege, Greenwich
County: Middlesex
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: Joseph Benjamin Chesney
Spouse Father Name: Jane Hulkes

He cannot be the father to Elizabeth as her baptism record clearly has Joseph & Elizabeth as parents.

I need to try and find a widowed Elizabeth on the 1851 as the children were in the workhouse.

Elizabeth Pearce's first marriage to Benjamin Russell

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Elizabeth Pearce
Name: Elizabeth Pearce
Spouse Name: Benjamin Russell
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 9 Jul 1821
Parish: St Giles, Camberwell
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark

her father William was a witness

And Elizabeth the mother also in the same workhouse!

Name: Elisabt Chesney
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1802
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: St Johns Horelydenn

Civil parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalen
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England


So there is def evidence Joseph Benjamin Chesney has died and the second wife and the children are in the workhouse.

Tracey x

Morning Tracy and all,

I found some of what you posted last night but was sooo tired I got myself in a muddle so gave up.

Just looked this up and it seems this one is in an institution or school as there is a Sister and the children are down as scholars.

1881 England Census
about Alfred Charles Birch
Name: Alfred Charles Birch
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Holloway, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Anne Soho
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Princes Row Sqr
Education:

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page

Can't look this Bap. up as I don't have the sub. Perhaps Tracey can have a look please.

Name: Alfred Charles Quested Birch
Mother: Emma Eliza Birch
Father: Alfred Charles Birch
Birth: date - city, Middlesex

Hello Mel, we're back lol I went to bed and woke up thinking about this thread!

the baptism you have there is

Name: Alfred Charles Quested Birch
Record Type: Baptism

Name: Alfred Charles Quested Birch
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 30 Jul 1899
Father's Name: Alfred Charles Birch
Mother's Name: Emma Eliza Birch
Parish: St Dunstan and All Saints
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex


add, think this may be his father going on the Q which is unusual so not the one born 1869

Births Mar 1876 (>99%)
BIRCH Alfred Charles Q Bethnal Green 1c 266

(there are also some other births to A C Quested Birch )

what about this? EDIT NO it's not him, have found these in 1881 but will leave up to eliminate him. I am looking for Alfred in 1901 on the off chance I find him lol.

1901 England Census
about Alfred Birch
Name: Alfred Birch
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, London, England

Civil parish: Willesden
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hendon
Sub-registration district: Willesden
ED, institution, or vessel: 50
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 426
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Birch 61 widow
Alfred Birch 31 son
Frederick Birch 25 son
Bessie Birch 24 DIL
Frederick Birch 3
Albert Adams 43
Emma Adams 38
Stella Adams 4
Douglas Adams 2
Caroline Crapnell 30

another possible, for someone to eliminate maybe?

Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)

BIRCH Alfred Fulham 1a 477
Moyhing Mary Ann Fulham 1a 477

which might be connected with this...but we really need someone with 1911 census I think

1901 England Census
about Alfred Birch
Name: Alfred Birch
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Hammersmith, London, England

Civil parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch West Kensington Park and St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: South Hammersmith (including Starch Green)
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 287
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Birch 33
Mary Ann Birch 29
Alfred Birch 6
George Smith 15

the Alfred and Mary ann below seem to be in Fulham in 1911 with daughter Rose, can someone please check?

I don't think Alfred was in the family we are looking up unless it was a second name or a name of a brothers child.

If there was an Alfred why can't we find him with his parents on any census unless he died!!!! and Silverbirch says he had four children so the family thinks.

The parent of William Andrew that Mel has found in 1851/1861 are living in Islington in 1871

1871 England Census
about John Birch
Name: John Birch
Age: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1804
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Wrexham, Wales
Civil parish: Islington St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Household schedule number: 540
Household Members: Name Age
John Birch 67
Mary Birch 64

Edit William Andrew and Eliz' Letitia are on the next image ! (image 90 and 91)

Ok sorry been cooking dinner...

Do you need me to look up anything?


Tracey x