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G'day mgvn,
Thanks for your continuing explanations of all genealogy stumbling blocks for newies, I do appreciate it immensely, and have copied it to file and print, for quick reference when on line. Will do the look ups this week.
I have a RAC Road Atlas for Britain, from our home visit in 1992, and use it all the time to quickly look up the towns mentioned and indeed find it facinating where they the rellies move to.
Hooroo, Cate.

The IGI has two sorts of records - member submitted (which are of variable accuracy) and extracted records which have a batch # and usually a matching image at SP (if they're Scottish).
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

If you're not familiar with batch #s, they disable many of the silly restrictions in the search screen, and restrict the search to a particular parish register, spanning a specific time frame (or a parish of the GROS index 1855-1875ish). C of S batch #s have the form c11xxxN or m11xxxN where xxx is the parish # and N=1/3 for GROS index (except in a few big cities where N doesn't give enough #s)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm


Look up:

Results for: John Lennox, British Isles
Spouse: Elizabeth Downie
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Batch Number: m113645

Results for: British Isles
Father: John Lennox, Mother: Elizabeth Downie
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Batch Number: c113644

Results for: British Isles
Father: John Lennox, Mother: Elizabeth Downie
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: c113624


Kilmadock, Kincardine and Dunblane are 3 mutually adjacent parishes in S Perthshire.

G'day Everyone,
Have used all your info and finally used SP site (was easy after all) and found out this so far.OPR, James Finlayson ,Dunblane married Robina Lennox 6/1/1816 Kilmadock. no parents. Can't find deaths yet.
SR, Janet Finlayson, 27,Cambusbarren,M,David Gibson,28,19/11/1858 parents yes and witnesses W Taylor ,A Taylor. Haven't deciphered all yet with the magnifier.
Then marriage of daughter Robina,34 to William Taylor, 29 with her parents both deceased by 14/10/1862 .
So thanks again to all, as I now know where to go.
Hooroo Cate.

1881

Name: Janet McIntyre
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : William
Gender: Female
Where born: Stirlingshire, Cambus Carson
Registration Number: 488/1
Registration district: St Ninians
Civil parish: St Ninians
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Stirling Road
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 135
Line: 24
Roll: cssct1881_139
Household Members: Name Age
William McIntyre 35 b. Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Tweed Power Loom Timer
Janet McIntyre 30
John McIntyre 12 b. Dumfries, Dumfriesshire
Margaret McIntyre 10 b. Hawick, Roxburghshire
William McIntyre 3 b. St Ninians, Stirlingshire
Thomas Nixon McIntyre 2 b. St Ninians, Stirlingshire
Robina McIntyre 1 Month b. St Ninians, Stirlingshire

Source Citation: Parish: St Ninians; ED: 7; Page: 24; Line: 24; Roll cssct1881_139; Year: 1881.

So likes like a second marriage for William


1891 - looks like Janet may have died.

Name: Alexander McIntyre
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: William
Gender: Male
Where born: Alva, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 470
Registration district: Alva
Civil parish: Alva
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Stirling St Springfield Buildings
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 140
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1891_145
Household Members: Name Age
William McIntyre 45
Margaret McIntyre 20
William J McIntyre 13
Thomas N McIntyre 12
Robina F McIntyre 10
Alexander McIntyre 7

Source Citation: Parish: Alva; ED: 1; Page: 29; Line: 19; Roll CSSCT1891_145; Year: 1891.

Try http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/803289

mgnv,
Thanks for the site for old Scottish maps, I have printed it to my files.Cate.

Aileen,
Forgive me. I see now it was not you, I miss read it and am as I said very grateful for all the help. I still sit infront of the computer and will, I promise, take the bull by the horns and try and use S P site. First time is always the worst they say. I just don't understand computers and am learning everything. I also think Margaret is a daughter.
Cate.

But........the Janet N McIntyre on the 1891 census as grand-daughter to Robina Taylor was actually Janet H(osie) McIntyre daughter of Janet Hosie

1910 FINLAYSON ROBINA TAYLOR F 80 CAMBUSBARRON /STIRLING

Robina Taylor widow of William Taylor(Manufacturer) died 10/08/1910 aged 80 .....daughter of James (Weaver) and Robina Finlayson ms Lennox both deceased.......cert signed by James Taylor (Brother-in-law)

No mention on death cert of a previous marriage

1861

Name: Robina Hosie
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: St Ninians, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 488
Registration district: Cambusbarron
Civil parish: St Ninians
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Wester Row
Occupation: Mill Marker
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 76
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1861_65
Household Members: Name Age
Robina Hosie 34
Janet Hosie 10
Margt Hosie 7

Source Citation: Parish: St Ninians; ED: 8; Page: 12; Line: 21; Roll CSSCT1861_65; Year: 1861.


IGI

ROBINA FINLAYSON Pedigree
Female Family



Marriages:
Spouse: ALEXANDER HOSIE Family
Marriage: 31 OCT 1851 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland



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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


Looks like Robina may have remarried?

1891

Name: Robina Taylor
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : William
Gender: Female
Where born: Cambusbarron, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 488/1
Registration district: St Ninians
Civil parish: St Ninians
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Stirling Road
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 101
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1891_154
Household Members: Name Age
William Taylor 57
Robina Taylor 64
Robina Taylor 25
Catherine Taylor 22
Janet N McIntyre 5 Granddaughter b. Alva, Stirlingshire


Source Citation: Parish: St Ninians; ED: 8; Page: 17; Line: 21; Roll CSSCT1891_154; Year: 1891.

1881

Name: William Taylor
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Robina
Gender: Male
Where born: Crieff, Perthshire
Registration Number: 488/1
Registration district: St Ninians
Civil parish: St Ninians
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Stirling Road
Occupation: Woollen Manufacturer
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 133
Line: 13
Roll: cssct1881_139
Household Members: Name Age
William Taylor 47
Robina Taylor 54
Robina Taylor 15
Catherine Taylor 13

Source Citation: Parish: St Ninians; ED: 7; Page: 24; Line: 13; Roll cssct1881_139; Year: 1881.


IGI

WILLIAM TAYLOR Pedigree
Male Family


Marriages:
Spouse: ROBINA FINLAYSON Family
Marriage: 14 OCT 1862 Crieff, Perth, Scotland



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Catherine

It was me that mentioned you having the details in front of you and it wasn't meant to be offensive in any way. When we are trying to help every wee bit for information helps. It is also good to know the sources of that information i.e. if it has come down the family word of mouth as sometimes the facts can get a wee distorted in the telling.

Statutory registration began in Scotland in 1855. If you look on Scotlands People, I am sure that it tells you what information may be available on certificates. Alas death certificates aren't quite as good as Australian ones as, with the exception of 1855, they don't list the children.

Census records are very useful as they can give you an idea of the approximate year of birth that you are looking for on Scotlandspeople - useful if you are seeking a fairly common surname. Scotlands People also has the Old Parish Records (OPRs). These are mostly Church of Scotland records - the usual way of recording births and marriages prior to 1855. The churches often recorded burials too but these often don't give much information regarding relatives of the deceased.

When you are using SP remember that you can use wildcards e.g. if you enter Jan* it will cover Janet and Jannet. The site is reasonably cheap to use as it is only £6 for 30 credits -1 credit to view the search result and 5 to view / download the entry. So if you're lucky and get the correct person first time you can actually see 6 entries for £6.

As you get more information, if you need census lookups, just come back to this thread and some of us will look them up for you - then you use your money on Scotlandspeople!

Good luck with your research and kindest Regards

Hi,
I didn't mention anything about you having information in front of you. This was a comment by another poster when I looked for the marriage you mentioned and put the details on. I was happy to do this as it helps all to know which family they are looking for.

Catherine - FYI there are old maps of every Scottish county showing parishes at:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/

Aileen, I can assure you I have no details in front of me and I will do and get everything all have suggested.The information was a hand written memory from a 78 year old cousin .So now ,with all this overwhelming help, I will go forth and find them. Thanks again.Cate.

Kath,mgnv,rootgatherer,Aileen,
I have not yet purchased certificates from back home, bit frightened of the system, but will do so now.I have been getting use to the ones in Australia so far.
I do not have but will now buy David Gibson and Janet Finlayson's marriage certificate from Scotlands People as you have suggested, then her parents as well.
Kath, it is indeed the family in the 1871 and 1888 census. I have only just started using this in the library and glad you showed me they, the census, are useful tools.
'mgnv, just googled the UK maps and indeed Haddington is east of Edinburgh back home,obviously got this bit wrong!
rootsgatherer, will do as you suggest re certificates.
Aileen, thanks for your helpful suggestions also.
This information and time spent gathering it for a complete stranger is very much appreciated. . kindest regards, Catherine.

Results for: Perth, Scotland, British Isles
Father: Matthew Finlayson, Mother: Helen Wyllie
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International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 3

1. JANET FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 22 OCT 1792

2. JANET FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 OCT 1792 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland

3. JAMES FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 MAY 1790 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland


Possible marriage??
MATHEW FINLAYSON Pedigree
Male Family


Marriages:
Spouse: HELEN WYLIE Family
Marriage: 09 DEC 1786 Low Paisley, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland



If you a search on the IGI for children using the above parents names - it looks like some children born Paisley, some Balfron, Stirlingshire and some Perthdshire all about the possible years for this couple to produce children. I am not necessarily saying that they are all your family!

JAMES FINLAYSON Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: ROBINA LENNOX Family
Marriage: 06 JAN 1816 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland


Possible birth for James??

JAMES FINLAYSON Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 09 MAY 1790 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland


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Parents:
Father: MATTHEW FINLAYSON Family
Mother: HELEN WYLLIE


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


You need to look at the actual image on Scotlandspeople for James and Robina's marriage - it may just father's names and/or occupations.

Kath, I don't think you really misled anyone. It is difficult without all the details to begin with!

Aileen - well done for getting the details from the marriage certificate - that really helps to sort out those two families. If those details had been posted right at the start it would have made it a bit easier. The difficulty is though, the poster is sitting with the details in front of them and may not realise what is needed to help them find the correct family.

So, it looks more likely that James and his wife came from Perthshire.

Thanks again for the info., Aileen.

Hi Aileen,
Sorry, you are correct about Margaret most likely being James's daughter rather than his wife. For some reason I didn't look at Margaret's age or I would have realised.
I'm sorry if I have misled you all. My mistake.

Kind Regards
Kath

I have so far been unable to find deaths for James and Robina

it looks as though James dies between 1851-1855 and Robina sometime before 1841