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Catherine
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27 Feb 2010 01:13 |
Janet married David Gibson 19/11/1858 @ St.Ninnians Parish Church, Stirling.Scotland. Daughter of James Finlayson and Robina Lennox. Any info on her family please, have only the parents name, nothing else.
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mgnv
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27 Feb 2010 02:16 |
There's an extracted record:
Results for: James Finlayson, Scotland, British Isles Spouse: Robina Lennox Exact Spelling: Off
International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 1 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. JAMES FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 06 JAN 1816 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland
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27 Feb 2010 02:48 |
Hi Catherine, Is this your family in 1871?
1871 Scotland Census Name: Janet Gibson Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : David Gender: Female Where born: Stirling, Stirlingshire Registration Number: 899 Registration district: Stranraer Civil parish: Inch County: Wigtownshire Address: Balgreen (east) Housing Workman's House ED: 2 Household schedule number: 56 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1871_190 Household Members: Name Age David Gibson 35 Janet Gibson 40 David Gibson 10 James Gibson 9 Gilbert Gibson 1 Robina Gibson Regards Kath
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27 Feb 2010 03:32 |
AND 1881
1881 Scotland Census Name: Janet Gibson Age: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : David Gender: Female Where born: Stirling, Stirlingshire Registration Number: 899 Registration district: Stranraer Civil parish: Inch County: Wigtownshire Address: 41 Dalrymple St Mc Cune'S Cl ED: 2 Household schedule number: 74 Line: 13 Roll: cssct1881_335 Household Members: Name Age David Gibson 45 Janet Gibson 47 Gilbert Gibson 11 George Gibson 8 Kath
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Kath
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27 Feb 2010 04:00 |
Catherine, Nothing coming up on scotlandspeople for a Janet Finlayson to parents James Finlayson & Robina Lennox.
There is one for Janet b.1830 Saint Ninians Stirling but to parents James Finlayson & Catherine McArthur. Same on the IGI:
JANET FINLAYSON Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 09 APR 1830 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JAMES FINLAYSON Family Mother: CATHERINE MCARTHUR
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Regards Kath
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27 Feb 2010 06:52 |
Just had a look at a map, and Cambusbarron is just west of Stirling, in St Ninian's parish, and has nothing whatsoever to do with Haddington.
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Kath
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27 Feb 2010 08:33 |
Catherine,
I think this is Janet with her family in 1841, except JAMES' wife is Margaret. Living in Cambusbarron. Notice the ROBBINS b.1827 - (Female) I think this should be Robina/Robbina.
1841 Scotland Census Name: Janet Finlayson Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1829 Gender: Female Where born: Stirlingshire, Scotland Civil parish: St Ninians County: Stirlingshire Address: Cambusbarron Parish Number: 488 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James Finlayson 50 Margt Finlayson 22 Elizabeth Finlayson 20 Wm Finlayson 18 James Finlayson 16 Robbins Finlayson 14 Janet Finlayson 12
Maybe someone else will be able to find another Janet born to James & Robina Lennox.
Regards Kath
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mgnv
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27 Feb 2010 13:16 |
This looks like James in 1851 & some of his kids - looks like Kath was right re Robina, but you'ld need to see original to be sure. Piece: SCT1851/488 Place: St Ninians -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 8 Civil Parish: St. Ninians Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St. Ninians Folio: 0 Page: 3 Schedule: 12 Address: North End, Cambusbarron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks FINLAYSON James Head W M 61 Weaver Woollen Perth - Dunblane FINLAYSON Elizabeth Dau U F 31 Servant Stirlingshire - St. Ninians Piece: SCT1851/488 Place: St Ninians -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 8 Civil Parish: St. Ninians Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St. Ninians Folio: 0 Page: 28 Schedule: 127 Address: Stirling Road -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks FINLAYSON James Head M M 26 Wool Spinner Stirlingshire - St. Ninians FINLAYSON Mary A Wife - F 24 Aberdeenshire - Aberdeen FINLAYSON James Son - M 8m Stirlingshire - St. Ninians Piece: SCT1851/488 Place: St Ninians -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 8 Civil Parish: St. Ninians Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St. Ninians Folio: 0 Page: 6 Schedule: 25 Address: North End, Cambusbarron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks FINLAYSON Robina Head U F 24 Weaver Stirlingshire - Cambusbarron HOSIE Robina Dau - F 1 Stirlingshire - Cambusbarron HOSIE Janet Dau - F 4m Stirlingshire - Cambusbarron
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27 Feb 2010 15:03 |
Do you have the marriage certificate please? Who, exactly does Janet give for her parent's names? Or did you get her parent's names from her death certificate? Remember information on death certificates is only as good as the informant's knowledge.
Haddington is in East Lothian.
The 1841 census didn't give relationships to the head of the household so that Margaret may be a daughter.
Results for: Father: James Finlayson, Mother: Catherine Mcarthur Exact Spelling: Off International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 5
1. MARY FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 21 JUN 1839 Stirling, Stirling, Scotland 2. JANET FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 09 APR 1830 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland 3. JAMES FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 30 JUL 1842 Stirling, Stirling, Scotland 4. DUNCAN FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 15 FEB 1836 Stirling, Stirling, Scotland 5. PETER FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 26 FEB 1832 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
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27 Feb 2010 15:11 |
More questions!!!
What was James Finlayson's occupation on Janet's marriage certificate please/
This looks like James and Catherine McArthur in 1841.
Name: James Finlayson Jr. Age: 35 Estimated birth year: abt 1806 Gender: Male Where born: Stirlingshire, Scotland Civil parish: St Ninians County: Stirlingshire Address: King Street Occupation: Slater Parish Number: 490 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James FinlaysonJr. 35 Catherine Finlayson 35 Peter Finlayson 9 Duncan Finlayson 5 Mary Finlayson 2 Source Citation: Parish: St Ninians; ED: 7; Page: 24; Line: 840; Roll ; Year: 1841.
The fact that James is listed as James Finlayson Jr., his father must still be alive.
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Who were the witnesses to the marriage please?
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27 Feb 2010 15:24 |
Wonder if this is his father - this one is a slater too.
Name: James Finlayson Age: 75 Estimated birth year: abt 1766 Gender: Male Where born: Stirlingshire, Scotland Civil parish: St Ninians County: Stirlingshire Address: King Street Occupation: Slater Parish Number: 490 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James Finlayson 75 Agnes Finlayson 40 James Gibb 15 James Finlayson 15 Robert Finlayson 12 Source Citation: Parish: St Ninians; ED: 7; Page: 24; Line: 590; Roll ; Year: 1841.
JAMES FINLAYSON Pedigree Male Family Marriages: Spouse: CATHERINE MCARTHUR Family Marriage: 03 MAY 1829 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
JAMES FINLAYSON Pedigree Male Family Marriages: Spouse: JANET TAYLOR Family Marriage: 19 JUL 1829 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland
James Finlayson was obviously a fairly common name in that area.
You really need to tell us Janet's details from that marriage certificate.
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27 Feb 2010 15:41 |
The following (from the 1841 census that Kath posted)
Margt Finlayson 22 Elizabeth Finlayson 20 Wm Finlayson 18 James Finlayson 16 Robbins Finlayson 14
are not appearing on the IGI - so one of two things either they weren't christened in the Church of Scotland, so probably won't appear on the OPRs at Scotlandspeople as these ar mostly C of S records or the family were members of some other church. This makes me think that the Janet in this family probably wasn't christened in the Church of Scotland either.
If it was my family, I would try to find a marriage for one of the above to find out who the mother is and compare that with the mother on your Janet's marriage certificate.
Hope this makes sense and you helpers can see where I am coming from!
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Aileen
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27 Feb 2010 19:02 |
I took a look at the marriage of Janet to David Gibson.....parents are given as James Finlayson (Weaver) deceased and Robina Finlayson ms Lennox
from LDS
ROBBINA LENNOX Female Event(s): Christening: 29 NOV 1789 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland Parents: Father: JOHN LENNOX Mother: ELIZABETH DOWNIE
Also found a death for the Robina (Robbins) Finlayson on 1841 census confirming she was also daughter of James and Robina Finlayson ms Lennox
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Aileen
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27 Feb 2010 19:27 |
Different transcription of 1841 census
FINLAYSON James M 50 Wool Tarten H L Weaver J Outside Census County (1841) FINLAYSON Margt F 22 Wool Tarten H L Weaver J Stirlingshire FINLAYSON Elizabeth F 20 Wool Tarten H L Weaver J Stirlingshire FINLAYSON Wm M 18 Wool Tarten H L Weaver J Stirlingshire FINLAYSON James M 16 Wool Tarten H L Weaver J Stirlingshire FINLAYSON Robbina F 14 Wool Tarten H L Weaver J Stirlingshire FINLAYSON Janet F 12 Stirlingshire
I would think Margaret is a daughter not James' wife as suggested by Kath
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Aileen
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27 Feb 2010 19:48 |
I have so far been unable to find deaths for James and Robina
it looks as though James dies between 1851-1855 and Robina sometime before 1841
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Kath
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27 Feb 2010 21:16 |
Hi Aileen, Sorry, you are correct about Margaret most likely being James's daughter rather than his wife. For some reason I didn't look at Margaret's age or I would have realised. I'm sorry if I have misled you all. My mistake.
Kind Regards Kath
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rootgatherer
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28 Feb 2010 08:47 |
Kath, I don't think you really misled anyone. It is difficult without all the details to begin with!
Aileen - well done for getting the details from the marriage certificate - that really helps to sort out those two families. If those details had been posted right at the start it would have made it a bit easier. The difficulty is though, the poster is sitting with the details in front of them and may not realise what is needed to help them find the correct family.
So, it looks more likely that James and his wife came from Perthshire.
Thanks again for the info., Aileen.
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28 Feb 2010 08:56 |
JAMES FINLAYSON Pedigree Male Family Marriages: Spouse: ROBINA LENNOX Family Marriage: 06 JAN 1816 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland
Possible birth for James??
JAMES FINLAYSON Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 09 MAY 1790 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: MATTHEW FINLAYSON Family Mother: HELEN WYLLIE
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
You need to look at the actual image on Scotlandspeople for James and Robina's marriage - it may just father's names and/or occupations.
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28 Feb 2010 09:04 |
Results for: Perth, Scotland, British Isles Father: Matthew Finlayson, Mother: Helen Wyllie Exact Spelling: Off International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 3
1. JANET FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 22 OCT 1792 2. JANET FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 28 OCT 1792 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland 3. JAMES FINLAYSON - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 09 MAY 1790 Kilmadock, Perth, Scotland Possible marriage?? MATHEW FINLAYSON Pedigree Male Family
Marriages: Spouse: HELEN WYLIE Family Marriage: 09 DEC 1786 Low Paisley, Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland
If you a search on the IGI for children using the above parents names - it looks like some children born Paisley, some Balfron, Stirlingshire and some Perthdshire all about the possible years for this couple to produce children. I am not necessarily saying that they are all your family!
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Catherine
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1 Mar 2010 02:21 |
Kath,mgnv,rootgatherer,Aileen, I have not yet purchased certificates from back home, bit frightened of the system, but will do so now.I have been getting use to the ones in Australia so far. I do not have but will now buy David Gibson and Janet Finlayson's marriage certificate from Scotlands People as you have suggested, then her parents as well. Kath, it is indeed the family in the 1871 and 1888 census. I have only just started using this in the library and glad you showed me they, the census, are useful tools. 'mgnv, just googled the UK maps and indeed Haddington is east of Edinburgh back home,obviously got this bit wrong! rootsgatherer, will do as you suggest re certificates. Aileen, thanks for your helpful suggestions also. This information and time spent gathering it for a complete stranger is very much appreciated. . kindest regards, Catherine.
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