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Margaret ,the names George Lawrence and Elizabeth Jane Morrison are nothing to do with you.

They are only listed because they share the same registration number as James and Elizabeth

Thanks very much, I can verify all the info. you've given but I'm unsure about the George Lawrence & Eliz. J. Morrison. Those names haven't come up before - which is not to say they couldn't be correct, but I'd need look into it further.
Mgt

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Marriages Jun 1920

Marriages Mar 1901

************JARVIS Elizabeth Ann - Newcastle T. 10b 137
Lawrence George Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 137
Morrison Elizabeth Jane Newcastle T. 10b 137
*************ROWNTREE James - Newcastle T. 10b 137


Marriages June 1920

Larmour John A - Rowntree Castle W. 10b 902
-Rowntree Elizabeth A -Larmour Castle W. 10b 902


Marriages Jun 1920

Larmour Arthur E -- Rowntree Newcastle T. 10b 439
Rowntree Mary E - Larmour Newcastle T. 10b 439

Certainly an interesting family Margaret! Do pop back on this thread if any more information comes to light and you want us to to delve further.

Thanks for the help. I'll do as you say & also keep searching. I've had lots of success with the other branches of the family but this one has been difficult to crack.
The oldest daughter , my grandmother, married Arthur Edward Larmour around 1920, but her mother, (Elizabeth nee Jarvis) remarried to a John Larmour around the same time and it was never discussed! I think the Larmour men were father & son possibly...
Anyway, thanks
Mgt

Hello Margaret, I agree that some of the census info was pretty much stab in the dark stuff, but the things that are concrete are her baptism record and her marriage.

There has obviously been some confusion about her father's name. Originally you believed it was possibly Joseph Francis but the baptism record, which has the exact dates you mentioned gives her father's name as John.

The thing that we are all agreed on is her marriage to James Rowntree.

If you haven't already got it, then getting a copy of her marriage certificate will confirm once and for all her father's name & occupation then we can accurately find her past family records. It will also give an address at time of marriage which could be useful.

When I drive past St Nicholas on my way to work tomorrow I'll think of her!

Thanks for the help,but I don't think these people are within the corrrect time scale.
Margaret

Elizabeth Ann Jarvis married James Rowntree,& had 6 children, (Mary Elizabeth, the eldest, was my grandmother).
She then married John Larmour in 1920. Her first husband was missing, presumed dead in WW1. His fate was only discovered in 2007.
Eliz. Ann told me she learned to tell the time from the clock on St. Nicholas' Cathedral, and lived near the quayside, so this was the only clue I had as to where she may have lived as a child. There may have also been a sister called Janet.
Thanks.

Yes thanks, this above is correct and I have a fair bit of info on the family of Elizabeth Jarvis, once she is married to James Rowntree. It's her family, parents & place of birth where it's been difficult to get info.

Have sent Margaret a PM asking her to come back (and explaining how) so she can review what we've found and also answer our queries.

OK.. brother for Elizabeth Ann;


Name: James Jarvis
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 09 Jun 1886
Baptism/Christening Place: All Saints, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Birth Date: 30 May 1886
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: John Jarvis
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01317-5
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1068965
Reference Number: item 4 p 92
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


Poop that's not going to help it looks like the poor little chap died in the same year!

So James Rowntree died and Elizabeth remarried in 1920 to John Larmour, here's her death;

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Elizabeth Larmour
Name: Elizabeth Larmour
Birth Date: 3 Apr 1884
Death Registration Month/Year: 1969
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 1b
Page: 242/s


So where on earth is she on the 1891 census!!!

Hi A-M, it all seems to tie in with Margarets scant info, just don't see her in 1891.

Dee x

Dee, my only concern is that both the brides on that page were called Elizabeth - could this be Elizabeth nee Morrison?

Margaret - this is why we need you to confirm who she married.

Added: - aha! You're doing well there with those children! (Lunch break over, got to go)

If A-M has found her marriage;

1901 England Census about Elizabeth A Rowntree
Name: Elizabeth A Rowntree
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James Rowntree
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Civil Parish: Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 293
Household Members:
Name Age
James Rowntree 23
Elizabeth A Rowntree 19


general check on the 1911 census;

HOUSEHOLD ROWNTREE ELIZABETH ANN F 1882 29 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD ROWNTREE ELLENOR F 1905 6 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD ROWNTREE HAROLD M 1910 1 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD ROWNTREE JAMES M 1879 32 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD ROWNTREE JAMES M 1908 3 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
HOUSEHOLD ROWNTREE MARY LIZZIE F 1902 9 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland


With 2 more children born after the 1911 census;

Joseph in 1912 and Alice in 1914, so 6 children like Margaret stated earlier

That marriage;


Groom's Name: John Jarvis
Groom's Birth Date: 1859
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 21
Bride's Name: Elizabeth Manners
Bride's Birth Date: 1860
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 20
Marriage Date: 1880
Marriage Place: Newcastle Upon Tyne, St. Nicholas, Naumb, Eng
Groom's Father's Name: William Jarvis
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name: John Manners
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00435-5
System Origin: England-VR
Source Film Number: 1068652
Reference Number: 2:3C092PR
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

Just a stab in the dark at the parents marriage;


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
ASH William Henry Newcastle T. 10b 124
>>>>>>>>>>Jarvis John Newcastle T 10b 124
>>>>>>>>>>MANNERS Elizabeth Newcastle T. 10b 124
Strong Mary Bellerby Newcastle T 10b 124

Hi Dee! That baptism is spot on for the info that Margaret gave in her message to Mike. The father's name bears no relation to Joseph Francis!

Think we crossed in our postings!

From the PM Mike received from Margaret;

"Her birth was not registered immediately. The date I have from an All Saint's Church document is 1.5.1884. She may have been born on 3.4 1884. "

So the baptism for Elizabeth Ann ties in with those dates....... good find A-M.


Dee xx

Waves to Anne-Marie,

looks like the baptism details of Elizabeth Ann;

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Elizabeth Ann Jarvis
Name: Elizabeth Ann Jarvis
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 3 Apr 1884
Christening Date: 1 May 1884
Christening Place: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's name: John Jarvis
Mother's name: Elizabeth


Dee x

Perhaps?

Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)
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JARVIS Elizabeth Ann Newcastle T. 10b 137
Lawrence George Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 137
Morrison Elizabeth Jane Newcastle T. 10b 137
ROWNTREE James Newcastle T. 10b 137

... but we need Margaret's co-operation by answering our questions.