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All better now are we sweets??
No more soggy tissues and bottles of nasty couching mixture needed?

I also solved another beastly one for Carol while you were lying in that sick bed....;)

Now if I could only do the same with a William Henry Stallard 1873 Bristol blokie (sighted on 1911 and then vamoose !)for my sons best friend I would be a happy bunny .....sigh

I'm just slogging through dozens of open GR tabs I left behind when I wandered off and got miserably sick ... and I refresh this one and find that Fanny came through as usual. Kudos and all that stuff!

again thankyou!!

had not ecpected to find marriage for James Pitt and Jemima Leach so far back from birth of son!!

carol

I had the same problem with my grandfather. Everyone thought he was born in 1900 but I couldnt find him on the 1901 census so I ordered his wedding cert which again said he was born in 1900.... so I ordered a birth cert of someone who tied up with his siblings and yes this was him born 1897.
So its a puzzle why he lied maybe because it would have made him 11 years older than my grandmother? we will never know now

Jacqui

Marriages Dec 1853

Leech Jemima Dudley 6c 100
Pitt James Dudley 6c 100


One marriage...

Bed now.
Night.

hi
again I thank you so very much!

I guess my 'sums skill' is as bad as his!!
He did not know how old he was when he got married!
(I'm definately one of his!!)

This where I started 1862 birth with James Pitt and Jemina Leach - as parents maybe they were not married!

Hope snow is not too deep!! Ko karting could turn to sledging!!
regards
carol bampton

1871

PITT, James Lodger M 62 1809 Worcestershire Dudley (farm labourer)
PITT, Benjamin Son Of Lodger M 9 1862 Worcestershire Dudley
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THIS IS THE BIRTH I WOULD SEND FOR.
Births Jun 1862
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PITT Benjamin Dudley 6c 118

It should have father ,,James ,,,

From here for £7 with those refs if you didnt know...

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/


Anywhere else will rip you off as this is the only OFFICIAL gov site.

I do thankyou so much!!
as I said I am a novice - but I do enjoy problem solving and was getting to the stage that my sentimentality was getting in the way of reason!

So glad you agree with outcome (a little!)

I began on World Family Tree Maker way back when my grandaughters father died. (thought it good idea to do family tree for her)

This was also the time when I did not know what the internet was! and 'uploaded' all my hard work to them. changed computers, moved house, then moved country!!
Then restarted the interest for my mum - had forgotten the email address and password for WFT - but I CAN BUY IT FROM THEM!!
again thankyou
carol bampton

I think I just found him on 1871 with father James??

Civil Parish:
Dudley Municipal Borough:
Dudley Address:
Dock Lane Court, Dudley County:
Staffordshire

HUGHES, Joseph Head M 48 1823 Worcestershire
HUGHES, Sarah Wife F 34 1837 Worcestershire
HUGHES, Mary Ann Daughter F 17 1854 Worcestershire
HUGHES, Elizabeth Daughter F 7 1864 Worcestershire
HUGHES, Richard Son M 4 1867 Worcestershire
PITT, James Lodger M 62 1809 Worcestershire Dudley (farm labourer)
PITT, Benjamin Son Of Lodger M 9 1862 Worcestershire Dudley

THIS IS THE BIRTH I WOULD SEND FOR.
Births Jun 1862
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PITT Benjamin Dudley 6c 118


But where he is in 1881 or 1891 is anyones guess.
And no deaths for that Benjamin with father James on 1871 either,so where is he hiding?

Thanks Janey,not a lot....:}

I am going to my nice warm bed now and will get back tomorrow eve as Grandson will comandeer puter in the day for more Moshi Monsters and Penguin club I expect,and as its been snowing here again it rather curtails outings for Go Karting etc as its too &^*&*cold.!

Fanny has beckoned me but I must beg off as it's time to go home for Friday supper and Olympics. And Heartbeat! I'll add this so I can find the thread tomorrow and find that Fanny and Ann have got it all sorted, I expect. ;)

Thank you Carol.
No address given for him then?

In 1851 Martha and Benjamin are in West Brom area.
And I have to agree that the fathers name may be wrong,its just that he has him as a labourer instead of coal miner whih is what this Benjamin was,although I guess Mining is labourering in a way but they normally liked to say miner on certs as it had more standing.

Address:
Church Vale, West Bromwich

PITT, Benjamin Head Married M 33 1818 Coal Miner
Wednesbury
Staffordshire
PITT, Martha Wife Married F 30 1821
Wednesbury
Staffordshire
PITT, James Son M 8 1843
Wednesbury
Staffordshire
PITT, Samuel Son M 4 1847
Wednesbury
Staffordshire
PITT, William Son M 2 1849
Wednesbury
Staffordshire
PITT, Elizabeth Mother Widow F 77 1774
Blind Wednesbury
Staffordshire


I think I am going for a second opinion ,If I can get one.
I can not find Benjamin with a father James in the correct place or time at all.
But alll the ones with parents Benjamin and Martha sit right to me.

marriage cert West Bromich - the church of St. James
Langley in the county of Worcester
No9. - September 17th 1894
- Benjamin Pitt (31yrs) Bachelor, / Labourer / Chapel St. Rounds Green / father listed as - James Pitt (deceased) Labourer

Hagar Dean (40yrs) Widow / no profession / Chapel St. Rounds Green / father listed as - Soloman Danks / Engine Driver

Witness; John Henry Danks & Hannah Summerfield (X her mark)

I am a complete novice! - but I have a gut feeling (maybe sentimental!!) that fathers name is wrong and should read 'Benjamin' (not James Pitt)

as that would give his mother as 'Martha'

Benjamin Pitt only ever had one daughter named Martha Edith - born 27.2.1896

In 1891 Martha is in Northampton alone and widowed.

PITTS, Martha Widow F 69 1822 Retired Dressmaker
Horton
Staffordshire

Address:
Milton Street, Dallington, Kingsthorpe

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This is probably Martha and Benjamins marriage from ,,Freebmd,,,so no middle name of James for Benjamin.


Marriages Mar 1846
Pitt Benjamin Dudley 18 360
Spooner Martha Dudley 18 360

Maybe father Benjamin had a second name of James and was known by it at home so he thought it was his name ?
Mistakes are made on certs,one was on my own birth cert,which was later rectified.

But all the way through the census that I find him on and believe to be him he is in the same reg place of Dudley,where he says he was born.
In fact there IS no other really to suit.

Its just this 1891 census that puts a spanner in the works.So please can you give me all the details from the marrige cert,witnesses and address he married from and was he a widower or bachelor.


1891
Same Address as 1871...:
Howles Row, Sedgley, Brierley

PIT, Benjamin Head Married M 29 1862 Coal Miner
Tipton
Staffordshire
PIT, Elizabeth Wife Married F 29 1862
Bilston
Staffordshire
PIT, Benjamin Son Single M 6 1885 Scholar
Sedgley
Staffordshire
PIT, Catherine Daughter Single F 0 (6M) 1891
Sedgley
Staffordshire
WILLIAMS, Thomas Boarder Widower M 54 1837 Japanner
Bilston
Staffordshire

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Blast...here is that lot in 1901 and he may well be the son of Benjamin and Martha

PITT, Benjamin Head Married M 41 1860 Coal Miner (Below)
Tipton
Staffordshire VIEW
PITT, Elizth Wife Married F 40 1861
Bilston
Staffordshire
Address:
82, Ocker Hill Road, Tipton

And you are better off spending your money on Ancestry or Find my Past than on here as you only get directed to other sites from here anyway as GR do not hold the records themselves....

1911 with Hagar down as Ada and now we have one of Sarah Deans illegitimate children given the title of Grandson at last !

Address:
48 Withymoor Road Netherton
Registration District:
Dudley

PITT, Benjamin Head Married M 49 1862 Labourer In Brickyard Dudley Worcs
PITT, Ada Wife Married
16 years F 58 1853 Old Hill Staffs
DEAN, Harry Stepson Single M 30 1881 Setter In Brickyard Dudley Worcs
DEAN, John Stepson Single M 21 1890 Dudley Worcs
DEAN, James Grandson Single M 11 1900 Dudley Worcs
PITT, Martha Daughter Single F 15 1896 Factory Hand Dudley Worcs
LANGLEY, Maltilda Granddaughter F 3 1908 London

thankyou( FBGL)

I had a feeling the mothers name would be Martha as his only child he named Martha Edith (b. 27.3.1896, netherton)
On marriage cert with hagar dean he lists his father (sorry his fathers name is listed as James Pitt (deceased) Labourer - is it likely to be wrong?!

IF his mother is Martha then father should be Benjamin??
as of 1861 cesus RG 9/2043 Tipton??
I am giving numbers but they are only from what I've printed from this site!!

Nasty job I think that would have been Ann...

this 1871 census keeps drawing me as his mothers name is Martha?
Although in later census Benjamin jnr is down as a coal miner,but he could have had to change his job for some reason.
But this is the only one that fits with the 1901 going back through the census,with varying birth years between 1861 and 1864.

Address:
Howls Row, Sedgley

Registration District:
Dudley

PITT, Benjamin Head M 50 1821 Staffordshire
PITT, Martha Wife F 50 1821 Staffordshire
PITT, William Son M 22 1849 Staffordshire
PITT, Benjamin Son M 11 1860 Staffordshire

But his fathers name and occupation from his marriage cert would confirm or not.
Also was he single or widowed when he married Hagar?
As in 1891 I think he may have been with a wife called Elizabeth?

But I will wait for the marriage cert details before looking into this further.
Unless I missed them?

But if his father was Benjamin on his marriage cert then this would be his birth.

Births Dec 1860
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PITT Benjamin Dudley 6c 38

one family of Danks which I posted were chainmakers too

What was his fathers name and occupation on the marriage cert please?

He did like to be exact on his family relations didnt he?

1901

Address:
Double Row, Dudley (Worcs), Netherton

PITT, Benjamin Head Married M 40 1861 Labourer In Clay Fields
Dudley
Worcestershire
PITT, Hagar Wife Married F 48 1853
Old Hill
Staffordshire
DEAN, Sarah Step Daughter Single F 24 1877
Dudley
Worcestershire
DEAN, Minnie Step Daughter Single F 20 1881 Chain Maker
Dudley
Worcestershire
DEAN, Eliza Step Daughter Single F 18 1883 Chain Maker
Dudley
Worcestershire
DEAN, Florrie Step Daughter Single F 16 1885 Chain Maker
Dudley
Worcestershire
DEAN, Matilda Step Daughter Single F 15 1886 Chain Maker
Dudley
Worcestershire
DEAN, John Step Son Single M 11 1890
Dudley
Worcestershire
DEAN, Lilian May Step Daughter Single F 9 1892
Dudley
Worcestershire
PITT, Martha Daughter Single F 5 1896
Dudley
Worcestershire
DEAN, John William Son Single M 4 1897 Illegitimate Children of Sarah Dean
Dudley
Worcestershire
DEAN, James Single M 0 (8 MOS) 1901
Dudley
Worcestershire