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Gwyn in Kent
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10 Feb 2010 19:28 |
Sorry Hello Madmeg.
I don't have the marriage cert. of Edward and Catherine, but have viewed the register. I have asked for a lookup from someone who is soon visiting the Record Office, because I'm beginning to doubt myself.
Edward was the son of Herbert SKERRETT and Elizabeth (WOOD)...from viewed baptism register. I can track the Skerretts back in the same village to mid 1770s , so far.
Catherine's father I have as Edward a labourer, but I can't track her back at all. I don't even know where she was born.
Gwyn
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JaneyCanuck
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10 Feb 2010 19:31 |
1911
SAUNDERS FLORENCE M 1885 26 Newtown Montgomeryshire -- born in Herefordshire
The only Florence near her age, born in Herefordshire, in Montgomeryshire. Searchd in case she stayed.
The age is off of course.
I can't see the details, but from doing wild card searches -- for surnames *A*, *E*, etc. -- the household is full of young unrelated women in their 20s mostly.
... She's probably Florence Margaret reg JunQ 1885, Hereford ... herrings ...
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Gwyn in Kent
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10 Feb 2010 19:34 |
Thank you for sticking with this.....
Have to leave for a short while.... Back soon.
Gwyn
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FannyByGaslight
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10 Feb 2010 19:41 |
Not Florence but maybe..
Catherine before marriage? 1871 Address: Caldicoot Farm, St Weonard
STONE, John T Head M 26 1845 Herefordshire STONE, Susan Sister F 28 1843 Herefordshire STONE, Mary Sister F 24 1847 Herefordshire VAUGHAN, Beatrice T A Niece F 7 1864 Herefordshire VAUGHAN, Catharine F Niece F 6 1865 Herefordshire BEAVAN, William Servant M 22 1849 Herefordshire
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Choccy
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10 Feb 2010 19:53 |
1881 England Census Name: Catherine Vaughan Age: 16 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relation: Pupil Gender: Female Where born: Peterstone, Hereford, England Civil parish: Kensington County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: Holland Rd 94 Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Kensington Town ED, institution, or vessel: 20a Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Emily Bishop 59 Edith E. Bishop 29 Reginald D. Bishop 26 Mary Bishop 42 Alethea Groom 65 Mary C. Groom 63 Amelia Boyes 23 Sarah M. Sayer 28 Elizabeth Hebditch 22 Catherine Shayles 22 Hannah Nockels 18 Ellen Coulson 26 Laura M. Parry 17 Annie C. Fairnlough 20 Mary Ive 19 Louisa A. Rolfe 18 Margaretta Hughes 17 Alice A. Baly 16 Catherine Vaughan 16 ***************** Kate N. Turney 16 Emma G. Neave 16 Sarah E. Noble 16 Cathrine Peach 15 Mary Mawson 15 Edith J. Baily 14 Fanny Peach 14 Gertrude J. Draper 13 Ethel M. Millet 13 Edith Wood 13 Florna M.B. Manson 12 Jenny E. Frain 12 Harry Lampson 6
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 28; Folio: 16; Page: 18; GSU roll: 1341006.
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10 Feb 2010 19:54 |
Births Jun 1865 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- VAUGHAN Catharine Frances Ross 6a 419
Peterstow is in Ross district
Births Jun 1863 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- VAUGHAN Beatrice Pauline Alexandra Ross 6a 443
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10 Feb 2010 19:55 |
Good one Fanny.
Births Jun 1865 VAUGHAN Catharine Frances Ross 6a 419
St Weonards is in Ross district.
... Heh, just like Peterstow is. ;)
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Gwyn in Kent
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10 Feb 2010 20:04 |
I'm back....Thank you for your help everyone. I'm just going to take a look at all those Catherines.
I have a note from Vital Records for a baptism of a Catherine Frances bapt Peterstow, March 1865, the daughter of Harcourt VAUGHAN and Hannah. ...I don't know if this connects to 'my' Catherine, but made a note while trawling for clues.
Gwyn
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JaneyCanuck
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10 Feb 2010 20:19 |
I'd found the Harcourt Vaughan + Hannah Stone marriage --
Marriages Mar 1863 STONE Hannah Hereford 6a 685 VAUGHAN Harcourt Hereford 6a 685
-- but Harcourt at least didn't die until 1887, in Islington.
Could be Hannah? --
Deaths Jun 1868 VAUGHAN Hannah 27 Weobly 6a 317 (there's a mistranscription in the vol/page) which could explain the children being with the aunt and uncle.
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JaneyCanuck
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10 Feb 2010 20:23 |
Nope -- 1881:
Harcourt Vaughan 46 >> Occupation: Income From Int Of Moy & Rents Hannah Vaughan 39 Mary Stone 34 - sister-in-law Civil parish: Hentland County/Island: Herefordshire
So this would explain Catherine being in a boarding school in 1881 (with that huge long list of extraneous names!!).
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Gwyn in Kent
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10 Feb 2010 21:08 |
Is anyone able to tell me what is shown as Catherine's birthplace in 1911 please.? She is in Bromyard district. Please don't use up credits.
She gives 2 differing places in 1891 and 1901.
I'm not sure they really know anyway. I'm fairly sure that in 1901 the son Henry,age 10 b. Wacton, Herefordshire is really Edward Henry b. Blaengarw, Wales ( He is back to Edward Henry on cert. when he married in 1911 )
Name: Henry Sherrett Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1891 Relation: Son Father's Name: Edward Mother's Name: Catherine Gender: Male Where born: Wacton, Herefordshire, England Civil parish: Whitbourne Ecclesiastical parish: St John Baptist Town: Whitbourne County/Island: Herefordshire Country: England Registration district: Bromyard Sub-registration district: Brockhampton ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 68 Household Members: Name Age Edward Sherrett 39 Catherine Sherrett 38 Herbert Sherrett 15 Rose Sherrett 12 >>>Henry Sherrett 10 Charles Sherrett 5 Lucy Sherrett 2 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2491; Folio: 81; Page: 10.
If they can't remember where their own children are born, I'm not sure if they'd know their own birthplace.
Gwyn
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JaneyCanuck
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10 Feb 2010 21:17 |
"Ullingsworth" -- I completely made that up, didn't I?
And yet Herbert answered to it in 1911. ;)
Makes my 1911 searches to date worthless though, I think. (I don't have access but Fanny does, for what you requested there, so be patient.)
No Florence, and nobody with surname beginning with S, answers to born in Ullingswick in 1911.
edit
Aaaargh. I had forgotten to clear something from my search form.
Two Florences of about the right age, born in Ullingswick, in 1911:
BAYLISS FLORENCE 1883 28 Aston Warwickshire
PULLEN FLORENCE 1882 29 Bromyard Herefordshire
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SKERRETT EDWARD 1861 50 Bromyard Herefordshire
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SKERRETT ELIZABETH 1840 71 Bromyard Herefordshire SKERRETT HERBERT 1837 74 Bromyard Herefordshire SKERRETT HAROLD 1892 19 Bromyard Herefordshire SKERRETT JACK 1903 8 Bromyard Herefordshire SKERRETT ROSE ELLEN 1890 21 Tewkesbury Gloucestershire SKERRETT ELIZABETH MAUD 1870 41 Walsingham Norfolk
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10 Feb 2010 21:29 |
Florence Pullen in 1911 =
Marriages Sep 1902 Pullen Alphas Bromyard 6a 1197 Wagstaff Florence Bromyard 6a 1197
Births Mar 1882 Wagstaff Florence Bromyard 6a 549
Exactly the right age ...
I see no Florence Wagstaff in Herefordshire in 1891 or 1901.
In 1881 we have:
Name: Elizabeth Wagstaff Age: 19 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Ullingswick, Hereford, England Civil parish: Ullingswick County/Island: Herefordshire Country: England Street Address: Steps House
James Wood 65 Annie Wood 71 >>> Edward H. Wood 19 James Went 45 Elizabeth Wagstaff 19
Deaths Mar 1882 -- died in childbirth? WAGSTAFF Elizabeth 20 Bromyard 6a 375
My my my. I think maybe I've dunnit. ;)
To summarize:
Florence was the daughter of Edward Henry Skerrett and Elizabeth Wagstaff, a servant in the household of Edward's grandparents Wood in 1881.
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10 Feb 2010 21:41 |
Florence's household in 1911, just to get it on record here:
Her husband: PULLEN ALPHAUS 1883 28 Bromyard Herefordshire and children: PULLEN REGINALD ALPHAS 1903 8 PULLEN REGENALD GEORGE 1904 7 PULLEN HORACE ALFRED 1905 6 and a spare person: PULLEN ALFRED GEORGE M 1877 34
No kids born after 1911, it seems.
Looks like the husband's death:
Name: Alphas Pullen Death Registration Month/Year: 1962 Age at death (estimated): 79 Registration district: Worcester Inferred County: Worcestershire Volume: 9d Page: 240
but I'm not finding a death for Florence.
Is this a possible (in the classic mode of having the birthday right but the year wrong)?
Name: Florence Pullen Birth Date: 4 Mar 1884 Death Registration Month/Year: 1970 Registration district: Sutton Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 5e Page: 617
or maybe more likely
Name: Florence Pullen Death Registration Month/Year: 1958 Age at death (estimated): 76 (death was in Q1 1958 so that would fit) Registration district: Martley Inferred County: Worcestershire Volume: 9d Page: 182
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Gwyn in Kent
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10 Feb 2010 21:49 |
Wow Janey I was just about to post and say "Thanks, but leave it for tonight" and here you are with an amazing find.
How can I prove this? I wonder if there's anything on Florence WAGSTAFF's baptism record ?
I think I'm going to need to go to Herefordshire and study the books..... It really does look as if you've found her.
All I've got to do now is find what happened to her. Edit Oh, ..a death
Gwyn
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10 Feb 2010 21:52 |
I was editing. ;)
Looks like they moved to Worcestershire and I would bet that 1958 death is her.
I think there's little doubt that's her, Florence Wagstaff.
The birth cert undoubtedly says only the mother's name. But if the mother died in childbirth, maybe a baptismal record will give some other names too? Then there's the marriage cert, but that's probably not going to be much help.
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Gwyn in Kent
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10 Feb 2010 22:03 |
A really big THANKYOU. I have been looking for Florence for years.........
So all the time I was thinking she was probably Catherine's illegitimate child, she really belonged to Edward. So sad that her mother died so young. I think I'll buy some certs. in the hope that a link might show, but the baptism is my best hope, I think.
What a good day's work. I am so grateful .
Many thanks to all for their input.
Gwyn
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FannyByGaslight
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10 Feb 2010 22:09 |
Just got out of the bath and had this on my screen before I got in,,,coincidences or what? As she was one of the two born Ullingswick ,but wanted my bath more than research at the time.
PULLEN, Alphaus Head Married M 28 1883 Waggoner On Farm Whitbourne Herefordshire PULLEN, Florence Wife Married 9 years F 29 1882 Ullingswick Herefordshire PULLEN, Reginald Alphas Son M 8 1903 School Ullingswick Herefordshire
Address: Bringsty Worcester Registration District: Bromyard
Back with the Catherine /Edward one in a mo.
Watch this space >>>>
Address: Near Huntlands Whitbourne Worcester Registration District: Bromyard
SKERRETT, Edward Head Married M 50 1861 Cowman On Farm Ullingswick Herefordshire SKERRETT, Catherine Wife Married 26 years F 48 1863 Charwoman Hatfield Herefordshire SKERRETT, Charles Son Single M 15 1896 House-Boy At Gentleman's House Herefordshire Bredenbury SKERRETT, Lucy Daughter F 12 1899 School Herefordshire Whitbourne
Another choice of birthplace for Catherine?but still in Hereford. Make a triangle of the 3 and maybe she was born in the middle ??
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10 Feb 2010 22:22 |
Fanny bows to Janey,yet again......sigh......
Cheer up Fan,she didnt find the death of Aubrey N,,,you did. Fan blows on fingernails........
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Gwyn in Kent
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10 Feb 2010 22:30 |
Fan Thank you for the extra information .That's great. I couldn't have done this without all the willing help from fellow members.
Many thanks.
Gwyn
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