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I did wonder if Jack Buckland was actually JOHN Buckland.


Jack is a common "nickname" for John


When looking last night, I couldn't find any Jack Bucklands thta seemed to be of an age to have a child old enough to marry in 1916, but there were lots of John's.


I strongly suggest that you buy that marriage certificate.

It will tell you how old William was in 1916 (or how old he said he was!!), his occupation at that time, his father's name (Jack vs John), and an address.


The certificate weill cost £7, money well spent in my opnion to solve at least part of the problem.





sylvia

the marriage cert is on its way
i did manage to find williams death record earlier, he died in 1979 in thorpe bay southend on sea its states his birthday is 02/feb/ 1897 but looking up his birth record no one with that name was born in that year
so all i can do now is wait for the cert and hopefully it can fill in the gaps

OK, Looking at his 6 children, starting with the youngest.

Births Dec 1928
Buckland Doreen E Hunt Gravesend 2a 1033

Marriages Mar 1948
Buckland Doreen E M Green Westminster 1a 876
Green Francis V A Buckland Westminster 1a 876 [V for Victor?]

Births Mar 1926
Buckland Kenneth R Hunt Woolwich 1d 1669

Marriages Mar 1948
Buckland Kenneth R Taunton Stepney 5d 1357
Taunton Novella H Buckland Stepney 5d 1357 [I bet she was called Vel or Val & people thought that was short for Valerie.]

hi his youngest child is my grandfather arthur buckland born in 1930
then there was doreen 1928
then kenneth 1926
then lillian 1922
then florence 1920
and finally the eldest francis 1918

i know the marriages of two of the six children
one being my nan and grandads
the second one i know is francis he married a woman called bessie howson 1944 in suffolk

as for the rest i have names which my nan gave me whether they are correct i dont know you saying about novella i wondered about her earlier im going to ring my nan tomorrow and see if it jogs her memory

i think your right regarding doreen my nan said she remembered going to her wedding and believed it was between 1945 and 1951 but that was all you could give me

ozi i wanted to thank you once again for the link to trevor bucklands pics the more i look at his grandfather the more i believe he is my great grandfather

It's got to be him Kirsten. The Yeoman Gaoler was the 2nd in charge and carried the battleaxe as his badge of office. There would only be one Yeoman Gaoler at a time. And how many Bucklands would be a Yeoman at the Tower?

Ozi

hi i know ur right i just wasnt expecting this much luck this quick lol (thanks to you) so i have that little doubt lol im just really hoping now trevor replies as he might be able to fill in a few of the gaps

Son of Kenneth & Bessie?

Births Mar 1948
Buckland Kenneth R Houson Southend 4a 1083

hi unfortunately it was francis that was married to bessie not kenneth

hi i have just checked to see if i could find francis and bessies children and the first one i come across is this
Name: Trevor R Buckland
Mother's Maiden Surname: Howson
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1952
Registration district: Southend
Registration county: Cambridgeshire/Bedfordshire, Essex
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 911

Sorry, I meant Francis & Bessie. Named him after his brother. Both Kenneth & Trevor registered at Southend. Isn't that were WH Buckland's death was registered?

Ozi

hi yeh williams death was registered at southend on sea so was his wife two years before i doubled checked the info with my nan,(and she remembers them living there so maybe then the trevor on flickr and the trevor on the birth record is the same person? ( unless someone else had a son trevor to?)

Info from the GRO-index:

Births
Francis W Buckland 1918q1 Godstone 2a 310
Florence M Buckland 1920q2 Godstone 2a 502
Lillian M Buckland 1922q1 Farnham 2a 268
Kenneth R Buckland 1926q1 Woolwich 1d 1669
Doreen E Buckland 1928q4 Gravesend 2a 1033
Arthur L Buckland 1930q1 Farnham 2a 241

Marrs
Francis W Buckland Bessie Howson 1944q3 Bury St Edmonds 4a 2381
Florence M Buckland Benjamin J Sullivan 1940q3 Stepney 1c 540
Lillian M Buckland
Kenneth R Buckland Novella H Taunton 1948q1 Stepney 5d 1357
Doreen E Buckland Richard J Cane 1949q3 Stepney 5d 1537
Arthur L Buckland Jean M Xxxx 1951q1 Southwark 5d 1405

Kenneth R Buckland Eunice A Xxxxxxx 1969q2 Stepney 5e 183

We can search the local indices for Tower Hamlets at:
http://www.thbmd.co.uk/
Unfortunately, there's no marrs online past 1900.

This is the sort of record I can get from them:
1 1857 Eliza J BUCKLAND /C82 23/10/
2 1857 George A TILLY /C82 23/10/
Now the marr of Eliza Jane and George Augustus is in the IGI:
20 AUG 1857 Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London, England
[Don't know that this Buckland is anything to do with ours - just needed some name for example]

So we can infer register C82 is St Dunstan. Some local ROs have a web page listing their registers (e.g., S Tyneside), and some incorporate the info into their display (e.g., lancashirebmd).
I was hoping to see if the register code for Ken R's two marrs was the same.
It's not clear how many Ken's there are.




Buckland-Howson kids
RAB 1945q3 Bury St. E. 4a 1429
TRB 1952q3 Southend 4a 911

Buckland-Taunton kids
SPB 1950q3 Southwark 5d 629
TJB 1954q4 Yeovil 7c 355
TCB 1959q3 Eastbourne 5h 245

Cane-Buckland kids
There were 3 Cane-Buckland marrs (although Doreen's spouse is transcribed as Cave in index).
Douglas-Peggy wed at Tonbridge, Albert-Winifred wed at Hammersmith.
There are 2 kids b at Tonbridge 1947q4, 1951q3 and 2 at Hammersmith 1948q1, 1950q4, so it looks like none for Doreen-Richard


[Fuller details pm'ed to Kirsten]
EDIT Just read recent posts, and I guess it's clear there's 2 Kens.

Please let us know if you get any feedback from Trevor. Add it to this thread as then I'll catch it. I might miss it if you start a new one.

Ozi

will do ozi
i also contacted someone else today who i think is related to trevor so im hoping they might pass on the message to him just incase he doesnt use flickr anymore

Hi All - got a pm from Kirsten
"speaking to my nan again
the marriage you found was correct for doreen she married a man called richard first then divorced him and went and married a man called vic

i have also been told kenneth was married twice too he first married novella
(i believe her nickname was val then went on to marry a lady who lived in eastbourne i believe her name is something like florry (but my nan is unsure)"


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More from GRO index


Marrs
Doreen E Cane Victor C Heimers 1958q4 Southwark 5d 947

Kenneth R Buckland Flora K Fears 1959q4 Eastbourne 5h 345

Novella H Buckland Ralph J Cue 1962q2 Eastbourne 5h 396
Novella H Buckland alt.Novella M Buckland John E W White or Ernest W J White 1975q1 Eastbourne 1 0297



Deaths
Arthur Leonard Buckland 11/1/1930 9/1991 Surrey South-Western
Flora Kathleen Buckland 8/11/1923 12/1998 Eastbourne
Kenneth Raymond Buckland 3/1/1926 8/1996 Eastbourne
Doreen Elizabeth Heimers 15/9/1928 11/2003 Portsmouth
Hannah Elizabeth Buckland 28/3/1891 1977q4 Southend 9 2882
William Henry Buckland 2/2/1897 1979q2 Southend 9 2798
Bessie Buckland 14/10/1912 4/1992 Southend
Francis William Buckland 20/12/1917 2/2000 Southend
Florence May Sullivan 22/9/1920 1981q1 Southend 9 3060 [month is SE on index image]
Benjamin John Sullivan 12/4/1916 8/2004 Bromley
Lilian Margery Buckland 16/3/1926 5/2000 Wantage [but b.rego is 1922q1 - not sure abt this one]



Births Dec 1923 (>99%)
Fears Flora K Parris Eastbourne 2b 78

Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
Sullivan Benjamin J Olliffe St.Olave 1d 324
Sullivan Benjamin J Olliffe St.Olave 1d 322
[There are 2 entries on the index image]

Births Dec 1930 (>99%)
Heimers Victor C Barber Southwark 1d 40

Births Jun 1926 (>99%)
Taunton Novello H Pope Yeovil 5c 514

[No Buckland-Fears kids]

Heimers-Buckland kids
NCH 1962q4 Basingstoke 6b 240
CJH 1965q2 Basingstoke 6b 289
[Full details pm'ed to Kirsten - no kids as Heimers-Cane]

hi
first off i would like to thank everyone who has helped on the thread and secondly i would like to apologise for the sketchy information i gave everyone the only person i can ask regarding the buckland side of my family is my nan but being 82 and suffering memory problems,information regarding her husband side of the family has been hard for her to remember
its only when you kind people have given me information that i have then past on to her it has been able to jog her memory

once again i would like to thank everyone

kirsten