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On the marriage certificate of alice who incidently is my gt. grandmother it states that her father is frederick barnes. I am just wondering whether Jane did not want alfred to ever find his family again. I know that Jane was a very victorian matriarch and wondered at the many stories my mother told me about her. Unfortunately my mother passed away in 2007 and was the last in the line apart from me. I would just like to say a big thankyou to everyone out there that has been tireless in trying to find dear old Alfred. I am beginning to love him more than Jane ever did!!!

Shirley, just a note - it wasn't Ann who said Alice's father was Frederick, it's the parish record of her baptism that said it.

I had wondered whether Alfred might have been known as "Fred", but hadn't had any more luck finding him in 1891 that way.

probably in the queue at DFS in case the sale ever ends!!!!

Thanks guys for all of the info you have given me. It will take me sometime to troll through all of this. Unfortunately I do still have the unanswered question of where alfred was prior to his death in the kingston union workhouse in 1894, I know that Jane definiately left him in the late 1800's as she had a child amy by william banfield in 1889 who she went onto marry in June 1894. In the 1891 census you will find Jane at 35 Windmill Road Chiswick with her family name changed to 'Barnes' for whatever reason. I also noticed that Ann of Green Gables stated that Jane's daughter Alice's father was frederick barnjum. Sorry Ann Alice's father was definiately Alfred Barnjum. Also Alfred who was born at 9, Keppel Street Chelsea in 1848 cannot be found on the 1851 census although his mother Martha was back on the Barnjum family farm in Perivale with no husband but her daughters. So where was alfred then? Bless him

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International Genealogical Index - British Isles
1. JOHN BARNJAM - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 07 JUN 1685 Saint Giles Cripplegate, London, London, England

2. JOHN BARNJAM - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 09 APR 1693 Saint Giles Cripplegate, London, London, England

3. JOHN BARNJAM - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 19 MAY 1723 St Giles Cripplegate, London, London, England

4. JOHN BARNJAM - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 20 FEB 1728 St Giles Cripplegate, London, London, England

5. JOHN BARNJUM - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 24 NOV 1734 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England

6. JOHN BARNJUM - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Marriage: 19 DEC 1734 Saint Giles Cripplegate, London, London, England

7. JOHN BARNJAM - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 03 DEC 1738 Saint Luke Old Street, Finsbury, London, England

8. JOHN BARNJUM - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 21 NOV 1759 St Ethelburga Bishops Gate, London, London, England

9. JNO. BARNJAM - International Genealogical Index / BI
Gender: Male Christening: 02 OCT 1762 St Botolph Without Aldgate, London, London, England

Matches: International Genealogical Index/British Isles - 9

MARTHA BARNJAM Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 03 NOV 1706 St Giles Cripplegate, London, London, England
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Parents:
Father: JOHN BARNJAM Family
Mother: MARY
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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Wouldn't life be a lot easier if they all stayed on the "right side of the sheets"?

Okay then, I'd found William and Jane Banfield in 1901 and suspected that was her! So he should be in Kingston ...

Jane may have "left" him because he was in the workhouse, possibly because of an incapacitating condition, e.g. suffering from a disease or disorder of the mind, and she would likely have been in need of a male partner to help support her kids.

Thomas and rebecca barnjum were alfred's grandparents, His mother was Martha (nee: Obee) who was married at the time to John Barnjum so heaven only knows how alfred got henry on his birth certificate as his father as Henry was john's brother

Jane left Alfred mid to late 1880's and moved to chiswick where she met up with and married a William Banfield. She waited until alfred died in january 1894 and then married banfield in lambeth in june 1894. I believe that it was in 1889 she had a daughter amy with banfield in chiswick. This is my gt. gt. grandmother and we know that she definiately left alfred in kingston, Surrey when she 'run off' with william banfield.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Jane Barnjum (Widow)
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Spouse Name: William Banfield
Spouse Age: 53
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Jun 1894
Parish: Saint Mary At Lambeth
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: John Newman ********
Spouse Father Name: James Banfield



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Mary At Lambeth, Register of marriages, P85/MRY1, Item 479

HENRY BARNJAM Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 16 JUL 1810 Saint Mary The Virgin, Perivale, London, England
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Parents:
Father: THOMAS BARNJAM Family
Mother: REBECCA
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HENRY BARNJUM Pedigree
Male Family

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Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH PEWSEY Family
Marriage: 09 APR 1838 Wendover, Buckingham, England
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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

HENRY BARNJUM Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 30 OCT 1876

Christening: 29 APR 1877 Thames Ditton, Surrey, England
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Parents:
Father: FREDERICK BARNJUM Family
Mother: JANE
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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

ALICE BARNJUM Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 18 APR 1874 Surbiton, Surrey, England
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Parents:
Father: FREDERICK BARNJUM Family
Mother: JANE
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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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THOMAS BARNEJAM Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: KATHERINE WARRIN Family
Marriage: 29 MAR 1626 Saint Peter Cornhill, London, London, England
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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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THOMAS BARNJUM Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: CHRISTIAN LANE Family
Marriage: 28 NOV 1699 Saint James, Clerkenwell, London, England
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Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

Thomas Barnjum Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 16 AUG 1742

Christening: 05 SEP 1742 St Sepulchre, , London, England
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Parents:
Father: John Barnjum Family
Mother: Ann
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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

THOMAS BARNJUM Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 21 NOV 1759 St Ethelburga Bishops Gate, London, London, England
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Parents:
Father: WILLM. BARNJUM Family
Mother: SARAH
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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.