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Just to clarify - WHITFIELD is a tiny hamlet on the A38 just outside of THORNBURY, Glos.
Births Dec 1849
STANLEY Lucy Thornbury 11 456
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Still stuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
any advice welcome. Can't find any trace of them on 1841 or 1851 census
Have all certificates that may be relevant and only helpful clues are
Residents in Lamb street
and witness at wedding were eliza hill and Alfred William Barker/basker??
Don't want to give up but there seems to be no trace of them anywhere!!
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Ivy
Thanks for the advice, looks a bit beyond my sofa+laptop searching but I will be giving it a go!
Adam
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Not that any of the following helps, but...
for completeness, the 1891 entry is as expected for the family (pages 1-3 of district 11 Cromhall are missing from one website, but present on another); children Mabel (12) to Arthur (1) are with the parents; Lucy again states b Whitfield; William simply states Essex b approx 1834.
Wigby, given as the place of birth, is also a very rare surname, suggesting that the family name may have derived from the place; but whilst finding all entries for all census years suggests that there may have been an East Anglian place name Wigby, all East Anglian examples are living in Norfolk by 1841 (the sole Essex example is a mistranscription for Wisby).
at the lodging house in 1861, there is another individual, Mary McCarthy stated to be born in the USA; it may be possible that in recording all the places of birth, the enumerator became muddled? Or might Mary be William's (remarried) mother? Or did William and Mary agree over a drink that it would be fun to mislead the enumerator? Given that 1861 is the only entry suggesting the USA, I'd guess that he really did think he was born in Essex (so at least likely to have been living there at some point in his childhood)
looking on family search, there is a baptism in 1835 in Langenhoe parish; using google maps, this is close to Abberton reservoir, and down the road is Little Wigborough; but this family are found in Langenhoe from 1841 to 1861;
since he gives his place of birth as (in order from 1861 to 1901) USA; Essex; Wigby Essex; Essex; Roghtford Essex, then it might be worth enquiring from Rochford library whether there are any nearby placenames that might have been pronounced Wigby (particularly as verbal contractions from a longer placename) and then looking for baptisms in likely parishes?
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William is my G/G/Grandfather my G/Grandfather was Frederick.
Not sure about the extra William Bennett at the Lodging house?
There just seem to be no clues anywhere to find more details prior to 1861!
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Just out of interest, which of William's children is your ancestor?
Ozi
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Duh, I'd already posted it on page one!
1861:
Matilda Bennett abt 1834 Bath Housekeeper Wotton Under Edge, Gloucestershire - Wife of Licensed Hawker
William Bennett abt 1831 USA Brit Subt, Boston Lodger Wotton Under Edge, Gloucestershire - Licensed Hawker
Did you also notice this bloke lodging there? A bit of a coincidence, don't you think?
William Bennett abt 1826 Wotton Under Edge, Gloucestershire, England Lodger Wotton Under Edge, Gloucestershire - Ag lab
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Hello Again & thanks for looking.
In 1861 they are both to be found at Chapmans Lodging House , Long Street, Wotton-Under-edge (somewhere I pass everyday!)
William Bennett 30 Lodger Licenced Hawker b. Boston USA brit subt.
Matilda Bennett 27 Housekeeper Licenced Hawkers Wife b.Bath
This Lodging House is around 3 miles from where they eventually settled in Cromhall.
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Just a recap:
1871: Weir Bridge
William Bennett Matilda abt 1832 Essex, England Head Cromhall, Gloucestershire - Licensed Hawker
Matilda Bennett William abt 1835 Bath Wife Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Mary A Bennett William, Matilda abt 1866 Wotton Under Edge, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cromhall, Gloucestershire
William Bennett William, Matilda abt 1868 Cromhall, Gloucestershire, England Son Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Charles Bennett William, Matilda abt 1869 Cromhall, Gloucestershire, England Son Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Sarah Bennett William, Matilda abt 1871 Cromhall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cromhall, Gloucestershire
1881:
William Bennett Lucy abt 1834 Wigby, Essex, England Head Cromhall, Gloucestershire - Hawker
Lucy Bennett William abt 1850 Whitfield, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cromhall, Gloucestershire
William Bennett William, Lucy abt 1868 Cromhall, Gloucestershire, England Son Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Sarah Bennett William, Lucy abt 1871 Cromhall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Maurice Bennett William, Lucy abt 1873 Cromhall, Gloucestershire, England Son Cromhall, Gloucestershire
James Bennett William, Lucy abt 1875 Cromhall, Gloucestershire, England Son Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Annie Bennett William, Lucy abt 1876 Cromhall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Mabel Stanley abt 1879 Whitfield, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Agnes Bennett William, Lucy abt 1880 Cromhall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cromhall, Gloucestershire
1901: Wire Mill
William Bennett Lucy abt 1831 Roghtford, Essex, England Head Cromhall, Gloucestershire - Hawker in China
Lucy Bennett William abt 1849 Whitfield, Gloucestershire, England Wife Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Fred Bennett William, Lucy abt 1884 Cromhall, Gloucestershire, England Son Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Emma Bennett William, Lucy abt 1886 Cromhall, Gloucestershire, England Daughter Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Arthur Bennett William, Lucy abt 1890 Cromhall, Gloucestershire, England Son Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Leonard Bennett William, Lucy abt 1892 Cromhall, Gloucestershire, England Son Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Still can't find him in 1891.
Your last post in 2010 - "William and Matilda are on 1861 & 1871 census as married yet marriage was in 1872?" I can't find them in 1861. What are the details?
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Have started researching for the elusive William Bennett again Ref my last post this time last year!
Have come to an absolute dead end so any advise whatsoever would be a massive help.
Have traced the rest of the family back quite far but really started this research for the Bennett branch of the tree!
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Eliza Hill was a neighbour of Matildas,
William and Matilda are on 1861 & 1871 census as married yet marriage was in 1872?
Anyone any ideas on how to narrow down the search for William and William? have run out of ideas. have all certificates I could find reference for but still no clues????
William Snr is listed on both William Jnr's marriage certificates as a Hawker as is William Jnr.
William Jnr listed as living in Lamb Street when marrying Matilda. and lists his place of birth as essex on 3 census records and boston usa on another??
Any Ideas please, I dont mind searching for hours , just dont know where to go next
Thanks
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Wedding certificate has been written in the worst handwriting i have ever seen!
Emery is definately whats written on certificate so why that changes to embury is a mystery?
16TH SEPTEMBER 1872
Matilda Emery AGE 28 residence LAMB STREET father JOHN EMERY
William Bennett AGE 30 residence LAMB STREET father WILLIAM BENNETT
Witnesses look like ELIZA HILl and ALFRED WILLIAM BA?KE? looks like it could possibly be barker or basker
Not the breakthrough I was hoping for!!
Looking for possible neighbours etc..
These people just dont want me to find them.......
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Please let us know results of cert. Just add it to this thread when you get it.
Thanks, & good luck
Ozi
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Thanks ozi
These mistranscriptions cost novices like me days of searching!!
Will order the certificate tonight and hope that leads somewhere.
I know Williams father was also named william, I am hoping one of the witnesses on the certificate can narrow the search for him and his wife and William jnr's place of birth?
May be posting again for some more advice!
Thanks again, very much appreciated
Adam
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Here's a possibility.
Marriages Sep 1872
>>>>Bennett William Clifton 6a 217
Dyer Harriet Clifton 6a 217
>>>>EMERY Matilda Clifton 6a 217
Smallcombe Joseph Clifton 6a 217
She's mistranscribed as Emery in 1851:
1851 England Census
Name: Matilda Emery
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Civil parish: Walcot
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: 21 Avon St
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lansdown
ED, institution, or vessel: 1e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Emery 53 - charwoman
Matilda Emery 15
N K 17 - lodger
Mary Ann Hill 30 - lodger
N K 15 - lodger
Rebecca Dinnick 26 - lodger
Esther Fisher 30 - lodger
Anna Bailey 20 - lodger
Nothing for place of birth for either of them.
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Despite searching for many hours can find no marriage of William Bennett to Matilda Embury,
Would like to get hold of a marriage certificate as finding Williams parents and birthplace is proving impossible.
He must have married as his certificate for his second marriage lists him as a widower.
Any one who could possibly point me in the direction of William and Matildas marriage would be hugely appreciated
Thanks
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1841 census
Name: Matilda Embury
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Gender: Female
Where born: Somerset, England
Civil parish: Walcot
Hundred: Bath Forum
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: Avon St
Occupation:
Registration district: Bath
Sub-registration district: Lansdown
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Embury 35 - laundress
John Embury 15 - labourer
Wm Embury 5
Matilda Embury 5
James Battin 10 - labourer
All born in county
IGI Individual Record
Matilda Embury
Christening: 13 DEC 1835 Walcott, Somerset, England
Parents:
Father: John Embury
Mother: Mary Embury
Source Information:
Batch No.: I021356
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Sorry my mistake.
I Have the Marriage and death certificate of William 1834 - 1907
I am now trying to trace his parents although as he has no idea!! where he was born it is proving really difficult.
The only details I have found in weeks of searching the internet have come from his marriage certificate to Lucy Stanley
Both witnesses on this certificate are Stanleys so no clues from there either!
Dated Feb 25th 1879 His father is named as William Bennett and his profession is listed as Hawker (the same as william 1834)
I am trying to find his marriage to Matilda Embury on the census as the witnesses names may be of some help.
Thanks for your help
Adam
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I'm not sure which William you mean, Adam.
You can't have a birth certificate for William c1834 as that is before registration. Do you mean his marriage cert, his baptism, or do you mean his son c1868?
I just can't find them in 1891, but I don't think William knows exactly where he was born, or else he liked to fool officialdom. Both those places in Essex do not exist.
1861 - William Bennett, c1831; USA Brit Subt, Boston & Matilda Bennett, c1834; Bath, Somerset
1871 - William Bennett, c1832; Essex & Matilda Bennett, c1835; Bath, Somerset
1881 - William Bennett, c1834; Wigby, Essex & Lucy Bennett, c1850; Whitfield, Gloucestershire
1901 - William Bennett, c1831; Roghtford, Essex & Lucy Bennet, c 1849; Whitfield, Gloucestershire
Ozi
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Have Williams fathers name from birth certificate.
He is also William Bennett and is also listed as a Hawker
Can find no matches I can be certain of as being correct despite 4 hours of checking all William Bennetts living with William Bennetts born around 1834.
If anyone has any details on William Bennett Snr born 1800ish? Occupation Hawker, Had a son Wiliam Bennett Jnr in 1834 born Essex
(i think)
There seem to be thousands of possibles on the Census and it is driving me mad!!
Any Help or advice would keep me sane
Thanks
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