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Male Surname: Lockerbie
Male Forename: John
Female Surname: Kirkpatrick
Female Forename: Mary Jane
Year Range: 1885
County: Dumfries
District: Torthorwald

1881
Name: Mary Jane Kirkpatrick
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Torthorwald, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 850
Registration district: Torthorwald
Civil parish: Torthorwald
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Redhills Farm
Occupation: Farmer'S Daughter
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 1
Line: 4
Roll: cssct1881_327
Household Members:
Name Age
James Kirkpatrick 41 born: Torthorwald, Dumfriesshire
Occupation: Farmer (Of 525 Acres, - Of Which 360 Arable - Employing 7 Men, 7 Women & 4 Boys)
Elizabeth Kirkpatrick 40 born: Dumfries, Dumfriesshire
James Kirkpatrick 20 All children born: Torthorwald, Dumfriesshire
Mary Jane Kirkpatrick 19
Andrew Kirkpatrick 17
Margaret Kirkpatrick 15
Elizabeth Kirkpatrick 13
Ellen Kirkpatrick 11
Francis N Kirkpatrick 10
Agnes K Kirkpatrick 8
Williammina N Kirkpatrick 6
David Kirkpatrick 4
Annie W Kirkpatrick 2
John C Wells 19
John Coupland 19
Jane J Rae 19
Margaret Kerr 26


1871
Name: Mary S Kirkpatrick
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Gender: Female
Where born: Torthorwald, Dumfrieshire
Registration Number: 850
Registration district: Torthorwald
Civil parish: Torthorwald
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Redhills Farm House
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 3
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1871_185
Household Members:
Name Age
James Kirkpatrick 31- born: Torthorwald, Dumfrieshire
Occupation: Farmer Of 200 Acres Of Which 140 Arable Employing 4 Labourer
Elizabeth W Kirkpatrick 30 - born: Dumfries, Dumfrieshire
James Kirkpatrick 10
Mary S Kirkpatrick 9
Andrew Kirkpatrick 7
Margaret Kirkpatrick 5
Elizabeth Kirkpatrick 3
Ellen Kirkpatrick 1
Kirkpatrick under 1 mo
Eliza Swan 25
James Carruthers 25
Thomas Mitchell 18
James Graham 16
Isabella Wallace 26
Sarah Kerr 21
Elizabeth Forguson 15


Possible marriage for James and Elizabeth:-
JAMES KIRKPATRICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 07 NOV 1859 Torthorwald, Dumfries, Scotland
Spouse: ELIZABETH W. HENDERSON


1861
Name: James Kirkpatrick
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Torthorwald, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 850
Registration district: Torthorwald
Civil parish: Torthorwald
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Redhills
Occupation: Farmer Of 200 Acres
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 15
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1861_145
Household Members:
Name Age
James Kirkpatrick 21
Elizabeth Kirkpatrick 20 born: Dumfries, Dumfriesshire
James Kirkpatrick 10 Mo
William Docherty 24
David Wright 21
George Russell 17
Mary Rome 24
Mary Currie 20


Birth for James?
James KIRKPATRICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1838 Drumberg Farm, Torthorwald, Dumfries, Scotland
Death: 02 NOV 1896 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Father: Andrew KIRKPATRICK
Mother: Jean AFFLECK
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

Possible 1851 for James:-

Name: James Kirkpatrick
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Andrew
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Torthorwald, Dumfries
Parish Number: 850
Civil parish: Torthorwald
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Drumbreg
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 4
Page: 1 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 2
Line: 15
Roll: CSSCT1851_210
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Kirkpatrick 56 born: Torthorwald, Dumfries
Occupation: Farmes Of 85 Acres (employing 4 Labourers 1 In Door & 3 Out)
Jane Kirkpatrick 46 born: Ruthwell, Dumfries
David Kirkpatrick 17 born: Torthorwald, Dumfries
Margaret Kirkpatrick 13
James Kirkpatrick 11
Mary Kirkpatrick 9
John Glendenning 16
James Anderson 27
Sarah Wilson 34
Mary Richardson 18


Possible marriage:-
ANDREW KIRKPATRICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 03 DEC 1832 Torthorwald, Dumfries, Scotland
Spouse: JEAN AFFLECK


Possible:-
Andrew KIRKPATRICK
Male
Event(s):
Birth: About 1795
Christening:
Death: 07 JAN 1860 Drumberg Farm, Torthorwald, Dumfries, Scotland
Burial:
Parents:
Father: David KIRKPATRICK
Mother: Margaret LORRAIN

Messages: Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

Possible birth for John Lockerbie:-
JOHN LOCKERBIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 07 FEB 1857 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
Father: WILLIAM LOCKERBIE
Mother: JANE RAE

Children:-
JESSIE LOCKERBIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 20 APR 1859 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
CHRISTINA LOCKERBIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 01 JUL 1864 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
JOHN LOCKERBIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 07 FEB 1857 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
DIANA LOCKERBIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 02 JAN 1862 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland

1871:-
Name: John Lockerbie
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: William
Gender: Male
Where born: Dumfries, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 821/1
Registration district: Dumfries Burgh
Civil parish: Dumfries
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Castfield House
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 15
Household schedule number: 21
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_183
Household Members:
Name Age
William Lockerbie 61 - born: Dumfries, Dumfriesshire
Occupation: Master Tailor & Clothier
Kate Lockerbie 18
Elizabeth Lockerbie 16
John Lockerbie 14
Jessie Lockerbie 11
Diana Lockerbie 9
Christina Lockerbie 6
Elizabeth Rae 62 - Mother in Law - born: Glencain, Dumfriesshire
Jane Lockerbie 17 - Niece - born: Dumfries, Dumfriesshire
Isabella Morrison 22 - Visitor - born: England


Other births:-
AGNES LOCKERBIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 NOV 1850 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
CATHERINE LOCKERBIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 18 APR 1852 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
ELIZABETH LOCKERBIE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 22 NOV 1854 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
Father: WILLIAM LOCKERBIE
Mother: JANE RAE


Had trouble finding them in 1861, but here's Jane with three of the children:-
Name: John Lockaby
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Burgh, Dumfries
Registration Number: 821
Registration district: Dumfries
Civil parish: Dumfries New Church
Town: Dumfries
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: 32 High Street
ED: 7
Household schedule number: 147
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1861_143
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Lockaby 31 - Wife - born: Dumfries, Dumfries
Elizabeth Lockaby 6
John Lockaby 4
Jessie Lockaby 1
Mary Lockaby 11 - Niece - born: Burgh, Dumfries
Mary Gibson 24 - Servant

Hi Catherine

Well done you.

Late night last night and William's birth cert was very poor...find that in Dumfries certs (I have some people from that area in my own tree and found the certs on Scotlandspeople to be a bit faded).

Mary Jane and John Lockerbie was married on 8 December 1885, Redhills, Torthorwald, Dumfries.

Can't make out John's occupation as another poor cert, but he lived at Redhill Farm along with Mary and her father James, Farmer and mother Elizabeth (Looks like Wilken) Henderson.

Both John's parent;s were dead when he got married - Father William (Can;t make out occupation, but looks like same as John's) and Jane Rae, Mother.

So all info you have found below is correct.

John was 28 years old and Mary was 24 years old when they got married.

Married by John Gillespie, Minister.

Witnesses to marrige was Maggie Kirkpatrick and William again what looks like Wilken - this could be Wilson.

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ELIZA HENDERSON Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 OCT 1840 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JAMES HENDERSON Family
Mother: MARY NICHOLSON

Think this is Elizabeth in 1851

1851 Scotland Census
about Eliza Henderson
Name: Eliza Henderson
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relationship: Grandaughter (Granddaughter)
Gender: Female
Where born: Dumfries, Dumfries
Parish Number: 821
Civil parish: Dumfries
Town: Dumfries
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Queensberry Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 10
Page: 6 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 28
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1851_206
Household Members: Name Age
William Nicholson 71 , born Cummertrees, Dumfries. Occupation Provos No Ireoffesion (think this means no profession)
Jane Nicholson 28, born Dumfries ans was Housekeeper and Daughter of William

Eliza Henderson 9

From someone's tree on ancestry.com....they do not have a husband or children for Elizabeth.


Starting from her father....


James Henderson
Birth 1821

Spouse & Children
Mary Nicholson (1821-)
Elizabeth Henderson (1840-)
Charles Henderson born on 28 MAY 1855
in Dumfries, Dumfries-shire, Scotland


4 Jun 1838 Age: 17 Marriage to Mary Nicholson
Dumfries, Dumfries-shire, Scotland

1881 Scottish Census

Age: 60
Lived at: Queensberry Villa, Lochmaben, Dumfries
Occupation: Tabacconist.

Hi Katty,
Well done too.
Isn't it nice when it all fits into place. Hope we haven't spoiled John's fun looking all this up for him!
Regards Catherine

Spoil my fun would ye? Grrrr!

Not at all, I'm very new at this, and you've found in a day what it might have taken me months to work out how to search for. I'm just about keeping up with you, analysing it and working out who's who. The John Lockerbie of Dumfries connection is a major find, as is the fact that his wife was a KIRKpatrick. At first I thought that was maybe a typo, but when her father's info came in, I was astounded. I have to wonder, when she was widowed, what caused her to move to Fife and, within a few years, marry Charles KILpatrick? I wonder if there was maybe some family connection?

I spoke with my mum earlier, and she has vague memories of a first date (!) visit with my Dad to the 'step' relatives at Dunfermline. Likewise, she remembers my Dad's mother talking of Annie Thorpe Cook.

Prior to this, I knew nothing at all of the Dumfries connection, other than that there was one... and, of course, the infamous events of the 14th C concerning Robert the Bruce and John Comyn who was stabbed by Bruce. Rushing out to his escorts Bruce told them, “I doubt I have slain Comyn.” Roger Kirkpatrick, saying “I mak siccar” (I’ll make certain) ran into the building and finding Comyn wounded but alive, stabbed him to the heart. .. So, uhm... there's now only a 500 year gap to fill!!!

John Lockerbie died on 20 April 1899, Dumfries.

Back to John Andrew Kilpatrick...do you have the regiment and his service number as I have came across service records on Ancesty which could be your John Kilpatrick.

Going back to Andrew Kirkpatrick and Jean :-
Marriage:-
1 03/12/1832 KIRKPATRICK ANDREW JEAN AFFLECK/FR272 M TORTHORWALD /DUMFRIES 850/ 0020 0105

Birth/Christening, 1832 - 1852, Scotland, British Isles
Father: Andrew Kirkpatrick, Mother: Jean

David KIRKPATRICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1834 Drumberg Farm, Torthorwald, Dumfries, Scotland
Samuel KIRKPATRICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1835 Drumberg Farm, Torthorwald, Dumfries, Scotland
Death: 1891
James KIRKPATRICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 1838 Drumberg Farm, Torthorwald, Dumfries, Scotland
Death: 02 NOV 1896 Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
(Above are Submitted entries.)

(Below are Extracted entries.)
MARY KIRKPATRICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 AUG 1841 Torthorwald, Dumfries, Scotland
MARGARET KIRKPATRICK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 30 JUN 1837 Torthorwald, Dumfries, Scotland

The family in 1841:-
Name: James Kirkpatrick
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Where born: Dumfriesshire, Scotland

Civil parish: Torthorwald
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Dumbreg
Parish Number: 850
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Kirkpatrick 45
Jean Kirkpatrick 35
David Kirkpatrick 7
Samuel Kirkpatrick 5
Margt Kirkpatrick 3
James Kirkpatrick 1
Mary Boyle 15 - FS
Jean Johnstone 15 - Servant

Possible birth for Andrew:-

o Date Surname Forename Parent Names/Frame No. Sex Parish City/County GROS Data
1 07/04/1793 KIRKPATRICK ANDREW (JOHN KIRKPATRICK) / M TORTHORWALD /DUMFRIES 850/ 0010 0066

but this one gives fathers name as John and not David so need to see the marriage cert for Andrew and Jean to see the name of father on there.


Possible birth for Jean:-
JEAN AFFLECK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 19 JUN 1804 Ruthwell, Dumfries, Scotland
Father: SAMMUELL AFFLECK
Mother: AGNESS REED

the marriage cert. should confirm, or not, parents names.

found on familysearch:-
Jean AFFLECK
Female
Event(s):
Birth: About 1805
Christening:
Death: 1866 Drumberg Farm, Torthorwald, Dumfries, Scotland
Burial:
Marriages:
Spouse: Andrew KIRKPATRICK
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

there is another record:-
Jane Affleck - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: About 1804 Of, Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland
Spouse: John Erbson
Marriage: 05 JUN 1825 Dumfries, Dumfries, Scotland

so there seems to be two Jean's born abt. the same time and as both records are submitted they would need confirming with Scotlands People.

Katty: "John Andrew Kilpatrick...do you have the regiment and his service number as I have came across service records on Ancesty which could be your John Kilpatrick."

I have a couple of WWI papers of his:

Regtl. No. 14493
Rank a/CSM
Name is given just as Kilpatrick, Andrew.
Unit was 60th Machine Gun Battalion
Year of Birth is given as 1892 ... (I wonder is he added a few years for enlistment purposes?)
Kings Own Scottish Borderers



Thanks,

John

Hi John

Found John Andrew's birth and death records.

Death

John Andrew Kilpatrick (Formally Lockerbie) died 18 June 1938 @ 8:30am, Darnley Hospital, Nitshill, Glasgow. Usual residence was Craigend Poultry Farm, Inchinnan - he was down as a Poultry Farmer. He died at the age of 43. His 1st wife was Catherine Howden Munro and 2nd wife was Catherine Bainbridge. Father John Lockerbie, Cab Driver and Mother Mary Jane Kirkpatrick. He died of Pulmonary Tuberculois - certified by Mary M Richardson. A Bainbridge, Brother in Law, 38 Canal St, Renfrew signed the Death Cert.

Birth

6 May 1895 @ 9pm. 9 High St, Dumfries. Name on Birth Cert was John Andrew Kirkpatrick Lockerbie. His Father John Lockerbie signed his birth cert.

Hi

There was a lot of young men who lied about their age so that they could serve in the Army.

I came across a medal card on Ancestry for a Andrew Kilpatrick. He had Regimental No's 14493 and 17734 against him.

14493 was M.G.C in which he was down as a Sgt and the 17734 was against the K.O.S.B

On the medal card he had a British Victory medal - Roll No. MGC/101 B9 pge 943

Name: Andrew Kilpatrick
Regiment or Corps: Machine Gun Corps, Kings Own Scottish Borderers
Corps: MGC
Rank: Sgt.
Regimental Number: 14493,
Rank: K.O.S.B.
Regimental Number: 17734

Sorry Katty, double work!
I had a look because my dad was in the Kings Own Scottish Borderers, not at that time of course, he fought in Korea in 1951.

John, you may want to take a look at this site:-
http://www.1914-1918.net/kosb.htm
gives you lots of info on the KSOB in World War 1

Hi John

Sent you a private message with John Lockerbie's death details.

To look at the message - click on the Message envelope above (inbetween Hot Matches and Community). This should take you directly in your Inbox and you will see a message from myself (Katrina) which has a purple envelope to the left of my name. Click on the underlined section which has ' New message from Katrina' and this will open up the message details.

If you are not in the Inbox - once you click on the Message Tab above and when it opens up - on the left handside you will see a list - click on the 'Inbox' and then open up the message from myself.


The site is okay to use once you get used to it...bit strange when you are going from different family history sites...I was confused myself when I first started.

As your family seem to have owned land, I had a look on scotlands people for any 'wills' and there is one that seems to relate to your family:-

1 KIRKPATRICK JAMES 14/12/1896 FARMER, RIGGHEADS, TORTHORWALD, D. 02/11/1896 AT GLASGOW, TESTATE INVENTORY ONLY DUMFRIES SHERIFF COURT SC15/41/25 VIEW (£5.00)
(3 pages)

you have to pay to view so couldn't see what it says but you may want to have a look.
Catherine

There's also one for Andrew:-

1 KIRKPATRICK ANDREW 04/02/1874 FARMER AT DRUMBREG, FORTHORWALD DUMFRIES SHERIFF COURT SC15/41/15 VIEW (£5.00)
(13 pages)