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UPDATE, IF someone could please just look at the 1841 census image on FMP (it's not on Ancestry as far as I can see?) for James Whitman as posted below by Polly Poppet and just check the Childrens ages for me. Christina in the following post has found them on 1851 ...but 3 children short. Nothing else needed but this would be a big help.

Thankyou



James Whetman ( often mistrans' Whitman ) was born abt 1838/9 in Woodcote, Oxfordshire.

he married twice
James Whetman 24 Nov 1860 Ann Sarah Budd
Saint John The Evangelist


James Whetman 24 May 1885 Jane Daws
Saint John The Evangelist Lambeth

in both cases his father is listed as
William Whetman Blacksmith

Can anyone locate William on any census please. or James in 41/51 .

thankyou

Hi
1841 census

Name James Whitman
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1838
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Address Wood Cottage
District Abingdon & Wallingford
Parish
Administrative County Oxfordshire
Birth Place
Birth County Yes
in house
william 45 blacksmith
mary 45
martha 15
james 3
elizabeth 1
george 12
HO 107 / 880 / 10

This one is Wetman on the image....

1851 England Census
about James Welman
Name: James Welman
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Woodcott, Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: South Stoke
Ecclesiastical parish: Oxford
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street Address:......Exlade Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Wallingford
Sub-registration district: Cholsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 17b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 94
Household Members: Name Age
William Welman 58 ....Blacksmith/Journeyman....Basildon, Berkshire
Mary Welman 55....Ashampstead, berkshire
Jane Welman 32...Daughter...Bucklebury, Berkshire
James Welman 17....age is 12 on the image

williams and marys details from 1841


Name William Whitman
Age 45
Estimated Year of Birth 1796
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Black Smith
Address Wood Cottage
District Abingdon & Wallingford
Parish
Administrative County Oxfordshire
Birth Place
Birth County NO



Name Mary Whitman
Age 45
Estimated Year of Birth 1796
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation ?
Address Wood Cottage
District Abingdon & Wallingford
Parish
Administrative County Oxfordshire
Birth Place
Birth County NO

1861 England Census
about William Whitman
Name: William Whitman
Age: 68
Estimated birth year: abt 1793
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Basildon, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Southstoke
Ecclesiastical parish: Oxford
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Wallingford
Sub-registration district: Wallingford
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 34
Household Members: Name Age
William Whitman 68...Head...Married...Blacksmith

oooh thankyou so much Christina and Polly poppet :))

I've been on there all day and my eyes just won't focus anymore ... trying to pack everything in before my subs run out tonight lol.


I have another query if either of you can face it ? for 1871 and 1881

Ann sarah Whetman m William Fishlock in 1882... I believe her to be related to James , either daughter (or sister at a stretch) but can't find her on census before her marriage. She was born abt 1862 Kingston Surrey ( though the only birth for that year says kingsbridge which is devon but I think that is a mistransc')

1861 England Census
about Mary Wattman
Name: Mary Wattman
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Ashampstead, Berkshire, England

Civil parish: Checkendon
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Henley
Sub-registration district: Henley
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Saunders 33
Henry Saunders 6
William Saunders 4
Fredric Saunders 2
Charles Saunders 1
>>>Mary Wattman 65.....Wettman on image...Married...Nurse Domestic
Matilda Ham 17
Miriam Nash 14
John Lewindon 17
Henry Woodworth 17
Thomas White 14
George King 14

1871 census

Name Ann Sarah Whitman
Age 16
Estimated Year of Birth 1855
Relationship to Head of Household Niece
Occupation Scholar
Address Berads Hill
District Kingston, Esher
Parish
Administrative County Surrey
Birth Place Kingston
Birth County Surrey
in house
george ? head 74
sarah wife 73
ann s niece 16
RG 10 / 805


cant make out names will go have another look back ln mln

Possibility:

1881 England Census
Name: Ann S. Whitman
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Thames Ditton, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Ealing
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: 26 Kew Bridge Road ((Waggon & Horses))

Occupation: Dom Servant
Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Thaxter 55
Mary A. Thaxter 55
Alfred Thaxter 17
Thomas Waight 24
Mary Bishop 46
Ann S. Whitman 19


James in 1861:

1861 England Census
Name: James Whitman
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann T
Gender: Male
Where born: Woodcote, Oxfordshire, England
Civil parish: Long Ditton <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Esher
ED, institution, or vessel: 7b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 178
Household Members:
Name Age
James Whitman 22
Ann T Whitman 23

Polly is that from Ancestry or FMP ? as even looking as you have found it, It isn't coming up for me on ancestry lol

Ozi that sounds right as it is very close to where my gt grandfather her husband lived. thankyou :)

Thanks Christina :)

She's 10 not 70 on image....


1871 England Census
about Ann Sarah Whitman
Name: Ann Sarah Whitman
Age: 70
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Kingston, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Hampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Hampton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Hampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members: Name Age
George Gumbrell 74
Sarah Gumbrell 73
Ann Sarah Whitman 70

Hi Rose from gr whatever theirs is
I cant make our those names if someone else could check it please

Thankyou Christina ,

So that seems right and if she is the Gumbrells niece it gives me another name to play with lol :)

Thankyou you all, I owe you !

xx

Hi
1861 census

Name George Gumbrell
Age 65
Estimated Year of Birth 1796
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Carpenter Journeyman
Address Upper New Street
District Kingston, Hampton
Parish
Administrative County Surrey
Birth Place Middlesex
Birth County Surrey
in house
george head 65
sarah wife 58
george everest nephew 11
RG / 9 / 458

1841 census

Name George Gumbrell
Age 40
Estimated Year of Birth 1801
Relationship to Head of Household ?
Occupation Dealer In Wood
Address New Street
District Kingston & Staines
Parish
Administrative County London
Birth Place
Birth County Y
in house
george 40
sarah 40
ann buddd 3
HO 107 / 718 / 4

Thanks Pollypoppet...Good name Gumbrell... and Everest come to that lol...I wonder where they fit in...oh no I can see another tangent coming lol

Thank you :)

oooh Pollypoppet...you have found another Budd there! on the 41 sooo that will be Ann Sarah Whitmans mum!

Think you're right about the birth reg. This one should be Kingston 2a 215. It's a double transcription error. First when it was typed up on the image as Kingsbridge when it should have been Kingston, then transcribed by freebmd as 5b when it clearly says 2a.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Ann Sarah Whetman
Name: Ann Sarah Whetman
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Kingsbridge ....should be Kingston
County: Devon...should be Surrey
Volume: 5b....image reads 2a
Page: 215

Hi
1851 census

Name Ann Budd
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1838
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Scholar
Address New Street
District Kingston, Esher
Parish
Administrative County Surrey
Birth Place Montsey
Birth County Surrey
in house
george gumbrell head 54
sarah wife 54
ann budd niece 13
HO 107 / 1604


says on census she is niece

Thankyou Christina :) and Polly

this is all brilliant .... I hadn't touched on this side at all really before today...though I knew that Whetman was my gt grandmothers name and she was connected to Budd family ... there is a story in the family of two Budd sisters who never married , the "two Budds that didn't blossom " lol

One fell in love with a sea captain which was fine but her sister fell in love with a waiter which was not considered suitable status ... so there was a big furore and the sea captain left...and the waiter was sent away I believe