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My great-grandfather was Charles Warnes of Norwich (b. c1845). He had three children, my maternal grandmother Alice Maud (b.1887), and two sons Harry (older, who migrated to Michigan USA possibly early 1920s?) and Arthur (youngest) who remained in Norwich. I am now stuck already because I can't remember Charles' wife's name. This is so exciting - wish I was retired then I could sit here all day! Thank you so much to anyone who may be able to help. Marilyn

Welcome Marilyn,

I am sure you will find this 'hobby' very addictive.

I will take a little look for you.

Dea x

1891 For my Reference
Alice M M Warnes
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Heigham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: West Wymer
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Warnes 24 c1867 Norwich
Elizabeth Warnes 27 c1864 Stokesby
Frederick W Warnes 3 c1885 Norwich
Alice M M Warnes 1

THIS YOUR ANCESTERS?

I can only find this birth (1889 not 1887):-

Name: Alice Maud M Warnes
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Norwich
County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 157

and this is the above Alice in the 1891 census:-

Name: Alice M M Warnes
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Heigham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: West Wymer
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age

Charles Warnes 24
Elizabeth Warnes 27
Frederick W Warnes 3
Alice M M Warnes 1

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1532; Folio 92; Page 19; GSU roll: 6096642.

Is it possible that this is your family?

I can't seem to find a Harry or an Arthur with a father called Charles.

Kath. x

Hi again,

Can't find a 'good fit' on census - do you have any more info on them - anything, no matter how small?

How did you get back to Alice Maud? - Do you have any certs?

Dea x

same family in 1901 with mother in law Letitia Miller

1901 England Census
Name: Alice M Warnes
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Norwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Heigham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Norwich
Sub-registration district: West Wymer
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Warnes 38
Frederick Warnes 13
Alice M Warnes 11
Henry Warnes 7
Gladys Warnes 3
Letitia Miller 77




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1843; Folio: 152; Page: 15.


Henry is possibly Harry.

Elizabeth is said to be married, so husband probably elsewhere.

This may be them on 1911?

WARNES, Charles Thomas Head Married M 45 1866 Ironmongers Assistant Norfolk Norwich VIEW
WARNES, Mary Elizabeth Wife Married
24 years F 46 1865 Charwoman Stokesby Norfolk VIEW
WARNES, Maud Mary Daughter Single F 21 1890 Charwoman Norfolk Norwich VIEW
WARNES, Henry George Son Single M 17 1894 Boot Finisher Norfolk Norwich VIEW
WARNES, Gladys Mabel Daughter F 13 1898 School Norfolk Norwich VIEW
WARNES, Arthur Thomas Son M 7 1904 School Norfolk Norwich VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
11299 Reference:
RG14PN11299 RG78PN614 RD225 SD2 ED10 SN143

Registration District:
Norwich Sub District:
West Wymer EnumerationDistrict:
10 Parish:
Norwich

Address:
165 Armes St Norwich County:
Norfolk

Dea x

Marriage:

DAVIS Hannah Eliza Norwich.4b 231 1 1887

HILL Frederick Isaac Norwich.4b 231 1 1887

***MILLER Mary Elizabeth Norwich.4b 231 1 1887

***WARNES Charles Thoams Norwich.4b 231 1 1887

Dea x

1871 England Census
Name: Elizh Miller
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Letitia
Gender: Female
Where born: Stokesby, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Stokesby
Ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
Town: Stokesby
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration district: Flegg
Sub-registration district: East Flegg
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
William Miller 53
Letitia Miller 49
Walter Miller 19
Samuel Miller 17
Henry Miller 14
Alfred Miller 12
Elizh Miller 9




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1791; Folio: 105; Page: 14; GSU roll: 830836.

possibly

Births Sep 1861 (>99%)
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MILLER Mary Elizabeth Flegg 4b 27



possible marriage of parents -

Marriages Dec 1846 (>99%)
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Melton Letitia Norwich 13 643
Miller William Norwich 13 643

Have Pm Marilyn how to reply to her threads.

The 1891 Census of Alice Maud M Warnes is the right one , folks.

Ditto the 1911

She is SO excited!

I am sure she will find her way back on here soon!

Dea x

Many apologies for my gaff! Hopefully I've got to grips with the way to reply now. Thank you so much to everyone who has helped - I would never have believed I would get answers so quickly. I am completely addicted now! Thanks again, Marilyn

Marilyn - folk were a bit remiss in not saying where they got stuff from.
All the above censuses came from Ancestry, a subscription site, but you can register for free too, and do a free search of the 1881 census.
(You can do a free search of any other census, too, but without a sub you won't get full details, and you certainly won't get to see the raw image.)
You can also search 1881 at:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
(it's under search records - advanced search)


If you're lucky, and FreeCEN has transcribed the piece you're needing, you can also search at:
http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

For Norfolk, there's only partial transcriptions of 1861(59%), 1871(18%) & 1991(54%) - to see what pieces are done, click on the county "details" link at:
http://www.freecen.org.uk/statistics.html
(Walter Miller is easy to find in 1861).


For the GRO index, there's a mix of Ancestry and FreeBMD posted, but the info is identical.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
One can look up the marr in Norfolk of William Miller & Let* (that's what I would specify, as Letticia is a name prone to variant spellings). We get:
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1846 (>99%)
Miller William Norwich 13 643

and we can click on the page # to see who else is mentioned on that page.
Naturally, we'ld expect Wm's spouse, but in general, we only know there's at least one Letticia mentioned on the same page, and usually wouldn't know from the GRO index who wed whom.

The real purpose of the GRO index is to be able to specify which BMD cert you want to buy at::
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

If you give them the date = year + quarter & vol + page ref, it costs 7 GBP, (vs. 10 GBP without). NB date is date of registration, not date of the event.

Thank you mgnv. I had decided that my first job today would be to ask where I can start making my own enquiries. This has been most helpful - as have all the replies - thank you all. x

My great-uncle Henry Warnes migrated to Michigan, USA, (I am guessing around early 1920s.) Is anyone able to point me in the direction of a website to help me find out when he left please? Many thanks.

Hi.... me again, Henry was oftened termed as Harry also, could this be him??

1930 United States Federal Census
about Harry G Warnes
Name: Harry G Warnes
Home in 1930: Ionia, Ionia, Michigan
View Map
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Ada M
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage: 20, Ada M was 19

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harry G Warnes 35
Ada M Warnes 34 Born England
Aileen M Warnes 8
Vern L Warnes 5


Immigrated in 1919.


EDIT>>>>>>>> adding more info ready to C&P onto other thread;

Michigan Deaths, 1971-1996
about Ada M Warnes
Name: Ada M Warnes
Birth Date: 19 Jan 1896
Death Date: 26 Dec 1989
Gender: Female
Residence: Ionia, Ionia, Michigan
Place of Death: Ionia, Ionia, Michigan





Dee x

Wow, thanks Dee - fantastic, that's him.

Apologies to Dea - didn't realise I had to use the same thread for different members of the family. Could you tell me how I get this info onto my original thread. Thank you!

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It is now on your original thread Marilyn, and so are you.

You are doing well.

Dea x