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hi dereck
thanks for your help
have a lovely xmas and new year
dorothy teresa

Hi Derek,
SatNav says you might be able to help me.
Are you are able to look at actual parish records at Derbyshire records office or archives if so could you look up a marriage for me at Ilkeston Church its George Peat and Elizabeth Hinds on 26 March 1894 want to know abode of George and Occupation of George and both fathers please.
Would be very grateful for any help

Wendy

Hello Wendy..this is interesting.and problematical..how much more do you know about this couple????? did you realsie they were both in their 50's when they married???.

I found a GEORGE PEAT and ELIZA A on the 1901 Census..they were both born in the 1870's.and have three children..and it seemd to fit....until i found the marriage document which is quite full in its information.....

Firstly the marriage did take place at Ilkeston 26.03.1894...between GEORGE PEAT (born Alfreton) 21.03.1843 (son of William and Elizabeth)..and..ELIZABETH HIND..notice not Hinds...born Newhall Derbyshire 19.08.1849 daughter of William marsden Hind and gertrude Elizabeth..........

Before i go any further down what may be the wrong route....do you have any other info????

Derek.

Hello Andrea..thank you for your EMail..just to confirm th baptism of MARY KNOWLES at Pinxton Derbys daughter of JOHN and FRANCES 08.04.1838...the only baptism for those parents at Pinxton...

Derek.

Hi Derek,

Sorry if the Peat marriage is causing you problems. Does the marriage doc give all the info you put above if so its not my George and Elizabeth, but I cannot find another marriage for George Peat and Elizabeth Hind between 1891 and 1896. my George Peat was born in Long Whatton, Leicstershire son of William Peat and Sarah (nee Hind). George was living in London at time of marriage to Elizabeth Hind the banns were published in London I found those on the Ancestry site. George died in 1896 in London and is buried in Long Whatton as is his wife Elizabeth Hind she died in1932 in Ilkeston and buried in Long Whatton. The ages at time of marriage is right.
As you see from above George Peat mother was Sarah Hind and I'm trying to see if Elizabeth's father William Hind is her brother therefore I'm not sure if the William Marsden and Gertrude Hind you have are the right Hind family.
Tthere is also a George Hind in Ilkeston that I think maybe another of Sarah's brothers.

Thank you very much for your help.

Wendy

Hi Derek,
Thanks for your e-mail & this link, I will attempt to fully update my Genes re-united Tree over the next few days
I will also scroll through the many pages of this link, of which i was totally unaware of
If I dont catch you before have a good Christmas & New Year

Regards
Andrea

Hello Wendy...you've lost me now..becasue you particularly asked me for details of the ilkeston marriage.the details of which are given in full...one thing that would help mewould be a birth daste for George Peat.....which I'm assuming is around 1870-1875??

I'll have a look at my Leicestershire sources......

EDIT..Have just found not one but TWO George Peat baptisms at Long Whatton......25.02.1841 son of Joseph and Sarah.....and....29.01.1843 son of William and Mary.....both extreacted from parish registers.
1851 census gives George son of MARY
Interestingly..the dates sort of back up the Ilkeston marriage..where George is shown born 1843...........

Derek

Hi Derek,

Sorry to confuse you. The Peat and Hind familys have been problematical. Right the 2 Georges were cousins their mothers Mary and Sarah were sisters surname Hind or Hinds born Disworth and I think that William and Jospeh Peat were brothers.
Its the one baptised 29 Jan 1843 that I think is married to Elizabeth Hind. As I said I found the banns on Ancestry but for London but no marriage in London. George was living in London on the 1881 and 1891 census and his Occupation was a Railway Porter if that helps.
George's father William died 1845 and was a Farmer.
I have not been able to find anything on the George baptised in 1841 yet.
Long Whatton has transcribe their records on line and its been a big help as not only the parish records but census and Grave Stone Monuments which has been a big help to me. If only Disworth had done the same I could have found out more about the Hind family.

Wendy

Hi Derek,

Me again, sorry to be a pain but could you check another marriage for me please. Its Mary Hind daughter of William Hind to Samuel Bloor on 18 March 1872 at Ilkeston. I think Mary is the sister of Elizabeth Hind who married George Peat and if so Elizabeth and George were cousins as I thought . I found George Peat and Mary Hind on the 1861 census with their uncle George Peat in Ilkeston, and that says that Mary was born 1845 in Disworth. So I thinkthats where Elizabeth was born too. On the probate index for Elizabeth in 1932 Mary's son John William Bloor is mentioned.
You said you had sources for Leicestershire would you be able check for Disworth and see if there is any Baptism. If not don't worry I'll make a trip to Leicestershire next year. Again sorry to be a pain.

Thank you very much for your help

Wendy

Edit: Sorry its Diseworth. I found Elizabeth Hind on the BMD site born 1847 Shardlow District which Diseworth comes under and Mary Hind born 1844.

Hi Derek,

I have brought this over from the Tips board, as i`m not sure you still go there

I wonder if you can help me with a marriage please, i have a IGI submitted date, but would like to know if theres any information, to say they were both widowed.

John Farrington and Margaret Clarke 26 Sept 1818 Duffield Derbyshire

Any help appreciated.

Hi Derek,

I think I've cracked it. Elizabeth Hinds was christened 17 Jan 1847 daughter of William Hinds and Harriet.in Diseworth. Elizabeth married her cousin George Peat as you know in Ilkeston. Her sister Mary Hinds born 1845 married Samuel Bloor 1872. they also had a brother John Hinds born 1848.
William Hinds married Harriet Harris Dec Qtr 1842. William died 1850 and Harriet died 1851. By using census and Freebmd and Familysreach it all ties togather.

Thanks for your help, and Merry Christmas

Wendy

Hello Wendy..well done!! i wish more people on these Boards would have as much common sense as you do...and make use of the available Resources.

Happy Christmas to you and yours.

Derek.

Hi Sylvia..nice to hear from you..haven't as yet found the marriage..bur i will!!..There is an IGI submitted entry for Margaret Clarke born Bolsover..10.03.1799 daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth......if it was her, then she wasn't a widow.....I'll get back to you.

Edit 18.31........they are on the 1841 census he aged 60, she aged 66..with a Mary Clarke aged 30........I suggest she might be Margaret's daughter..which would make Margaret (presumably) a widow.

I have a feeling that in 1818...the marriage entry may not show marital Status..........still looking!

Derek.

Hello Andrea.here are the KNOWLES entries in the Pinxton Parish Registers:-

It may be a waste of time to include all the children if they are nothing to do with your family..but I do have them all, with baptism dates, and if you want hem, just ask:--

George and Mary Knowles (Labourer) four children 1826-1833
George and mary Ann Knowles one child 06.01.1820 (Colllier)
Herbert and Ellen knowles three children 1892-1897
George Herbert and Sophia Knowles two children 1927 and 1931
Israel and Dinah (miner) one child 1843
Israel and Esther (miner) 14 children 1883-1910 (rather a lot of children even by 19thc standards...could be two families......Census would tell us if necessary.
Job and Maggie knowles 0ne child 1900 (Traveller)
John and sarah Knowles (Collier) Nine children 1844-1869...
Joseph and Margaret Knowles (Policeman) teo children 1876.1881

several other entries with one child down to Kenneth and Susan Knowles two children 1975 qnd 1979.

I do have the marriages for the above sets of parents..but they see unrelated to yours

Three female marriages that might be of interest...all daughters of John Knowles (Collier/Miner)..though probably not the same person:--

Zillah married William Houghton 11.07.1849
Emily married William Bott 17.01.1871
Jane married Alfred Varley 23.07.1864

EDIT 19.55..........been going potty tryin g to find your JAMES KNOWLES who you say was born Pinxton 1838..of course he wasn't!! James married Fanny at Alfreton and their first three children were born at Alfreton..not Pinxton!! He is the only James 1838 I can find and its coincidental he has a wife Fanny..but his parents are not John and Fanny........any thoughts??


Derek

Thank you for looking Derek, appologies i should have given you more information i had found, though i`m not sure of it, as the 1841 census says Margaret and Mary were born out of county, but 1851 says Margaret was born Derbyshire.

I have found possible previous marriages for both,
John Farrington to Ann Holmes 18 Dec 1802 St Peters Derby, 2 sons born, but both died in infancy.

Job Clarke to Margaret Wakefield 10 Oct 1797 Melbourne Derbyshire, daughter Mary born 1814, which seems a long time after marriage.

But i am having trouble finding deaths/burials for a Ann Farrington and Job Clarke.

John and Mary Farrington had 2 sons William (1817) and Henry (1819) in thier 40s? which is what made me look for earlier marriages.

As i cannot find the 1818 marriage anywhere else,but as submitted on the IGI, i to wonder if they even married.

Thank you for any help.

Hi Derek,

Just to let you know i contacted the Derby Records office about the above post (John Farrington) and they tell me, there is a gap in the records for Duffield and 1818 is missing.

Thank you for your help and have a great Christmas.

Added
Have just had another email from them to say they have it on microfilm and they were batchelor and spinster

Hi Derek,

Long time that I have been back.

I would be grateful if you could see if you unearth any information on Jonathan Marsh b 1735 or 1745, married to Sarah Gervois or Jarvis in 1764 Upper Langwith - particularly any information regarding birth. His son and daughter-in-law William Marsh (b 1764 in Langwith) and Amelia Marsh nee Brown, partcularly, their date of death

One final query is Joseph Hall born 1795 in Whitwell and his wife Alice, it appears that many people believe her maiden name is Frisley and they married in Eyam in 1815. However, according to familysearch there appears to a Joseph Hall born in Eyam. I have looked at some census records which show Alice born in bonbusk, which is a mile from Whitwell. So I was wondering could this be a different person and do you have any records for Bonbusk?

Cheers
Mark

Hi Derek,

The reason I am interested in William Marsh and the death Amelia is that I seen tree which has there deaths as 1815 and 1863 respectively but I can't find any supporting documents. Epsecially, Amelia there is death in 1863 in Wells, Somerset but it seems unlikely to me.

Looking at the 1841 census I have a William Marsh in Scarliffe Lanes born according to the genesreunited transcription as 1771. In the original image his age looks to me like 76, making his birth around 1765. This birth date is around correct age for William above. In the census his wife is Elizabeth aged 54 and daughter Mary aged 14.

So did Amelia actually die earlier than everyone believes and did William re-marry?

Hi Derek,

Is there any way to get a copy of the marriage, of Jonathan Marsh and Sarah Gervais or Jarvis from the records office at Matlock without attending?

My duties as a carer for mother, makes it impractial to visit he records office.

Do you they do any sort of postal service?

Regards
Mark

Hi Derek,

I'd very much appreciate a baptism lookup, for John Dunn, born Derby, 1794/5.

As the name is common, it may help to know that his sons were named John, Henry and Thomas.....in case he employed some sort of 'naming pattern'

HIs marriage in Lincolnshire does not record his father's name, so I'm completely in the dark.

Many thanks in advance