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Hi Derek,
Yes please do get FWR's birth certificate for me - thank you.
And yes his Grandad John seems very elusive on the Census'.
On the 1851 Census I think he is living with his son William in Sterscote but they are down as RIDGET.
On the 1861 and 1871 William (son) is living in Winshill with his wife Harriet and 2 sons. But on the 1861 his next door neighbour is a John Ridgard born in Kirk Langley (but who is completely the wrong age to be William's Father).
Wonder why John was never at home with Amelia? She had to take in washing to survive.
:-( x

PS Amelia was the daughter of Edward Braddow (1775 Stanley Village) and Charlotte Bancroft (I still have no idea where she hails from) they married in West Hallam 14 May 1801. You have helped me with those 2 before :-D

Hello Brian..have replied to you on PM......please try to find your way back to this Thread..then I can correspond with you in an open Forum..in which other people are often only too pleased to add their help.

Derek

Hello Derek,
Thank you for your reply to me regarding Maud Rebecca Isaac married to William Edward Bostock. I believe W.E. was born 23 Dec 1882 and Maud born Oct 24 1889.
In 1921 they were living at 49 Chaucer Street. In 1945 W. E. was living at 17 Park Drive, Ilkeston.
My problem is I am not sure who William's or Maud's parents were.

If you have any information on either of these so that I may move on would be gratefully received.

I thank you in advance. What you are doing for others is a great service and I am sure everyone is so grateful for your efforts as I am.
Regards,
Brian.

Hello Brian..so glad you were able to find your way onto this Thread........here is just a brief answer for the moment just to let you know That I am on the case.....just for starters;-

MAUD REBECCA ISAAC...1889/90...daughter of CHARLES ISAAC ..a Railway man from Lincolnshire and LUCY A from Witham Lincs.......
Charles was the son of LUKE ISAAC and SARAH..nee BAILEY (from Rutland)..her father was John Bailey ( and probably Susannah)..and Luke's father was William Isaac..
I have further details but am in the process of tidying them up and seeing what else I can find..........watch this space!!
I have also seen your Tree..thank you.

Derek

AnneIsabella............just to get our attention!!....I have now received the Birth certificate for Frederick william.......which will cause one or two waves !!

He was born 25.09.1859..birth registered 08.10.1859..at Kirk Langley Derbyshire..which of course is in the R.D. of Belper.......fine.

His father was NOT William...there is no known father on the cert.....we have been chasing shadows in that direction.....

He was born the illegitimate son of ANN RIDGARD......a single girl..who was the same Ann as in the three children of John and Amy...William, Elizabeth and Ann.... So William Ridgard was not the father of FWR..but his Uncle......

We know they were all together in 1841..we know that in 1851 FWR is with his Grandmother Amey..............and in 1851 and 1861 ANN RIDGARD.. mother of DWR is a servant girl in two different households....a SINGLE girl ......as far as i can tell she never married........unless it was her that married John Kidger in 1853 at Shardlow.

I mentioned earlier my doubts about the spelling of Amy Braddow............she married JOHN RIDGARD at Kirk Langley 28.10.1830..name given Amey Bradder........which actually, according to the West Hallam records..is BRADDOW.......
However, it is interesting to not that the first born child of John and Amey...was WILLIAM, baptised 15.07.1831..BUT the other two ELIZABETH and ANN were baptised together 05.01.1840........which does not make them twins, nor does it tell us when they were born, which could have been anytime between 1832 and 1840..........they are baptised as children of John and ANNIE Ridgard............which is entirely understandable given the quality of the writing at that time.
..and shows a certain instability in the marriage of John and Amey/Annie, given that he became so elusive later.....................maybe it was his job!

SO..!!! ..we go on!

Derek.

Hi Derek,

AW!

So we still don't know who FWR's Dad was and if its not on the birth certificate then we may never know :-(

I had a feeling it wasn't William as FWR's birth was registered by an Ann Ridgard - named on the form as his mother. And there was no other Ann Ridgard about at that time apart from his sister (and I feel sure - even though my family are weird - he wouldn't have married his sister :-S )

It seems highly likely that Ann married John Kidger as FWR's whole family were called Kidger on the 1901 Census.

I think I worked out from Census info that Elizabeth was born circa 1835 and Ann circa 1839.

Tell you what though Derek - I am a bit disappointed in FWR.
When he married Harriet Bailey she already had an illegitimate son named Tom, but he was left behind with his Granny and Grandad Bailey in Overseal rather than going to live with his Mum and FWR in Derby. You would think he would have had some sympathy for the lad and welcomed him into the family.

Oh well, its all very interesting as usual! Many thanks for helping me to find out about them all.

Anne x :-)

Hello again Anne......one or two things are becoming a bit clearer:-

ANN RIDGARD..daughter of John Rifgard and Amey.Ann/Anna nee Beddow/Bedders..etc........

appears to have been a really naughty girl........giving birth to FWR in 1859 illegitimately..who appears to have been taken away from her quite quickly to live..as a RIDGARD...with his Gran............
.Ann Ridgard then gave birth to WILLIAM..in 1861..again illegitimately..but in this case..in 1863 she married the father JOHN KIDGER..and kept the child as a KIDGER
and as we know..there were other Kidger children born in wedlock later...

The thing is that the Birth date given to JOHN KIDGER on the1871 Census is WRONG!!..he was born in Loughborough in 1841...making him old enough to be father of both WILLIAM KIDGER..and FWR..........
WE know that FWR and William Kidger were brother through Ann Ridgard/Kidger.....so there appears a very good reason that John Kidger was the father of both FWR and William................more so because the two were both born in Kirk Langley (Belper RD)..and neither were ever baptised!!!!..FWR was taken from Ann..William Kidger was not......

This is complicated a little by the fact that there appear to be two John Kidgers of leicestershire married to ANN.........but only one of them is Ann of Kirk Langley..i.e ANN RIDGARD............
FWR was abandoned to his Gran............so he did the same to TOM!!
What do you think

Hello Anne..sorry that you are having trouble. I don't understand your problem with page 162.except that is where i found aal my previous work had been deleted.and having caused a rumpus with GR..it was found and re-instated...........so why bother with 162?? just answer this message as normal............

Derek.

It has, at last, allowed me to post a reply to you Derek! For some unknown reason I just could not get on to your pages 161 or 162 to leave a reply. It was very frustrating.
Anyway, I think the info you have found is fascinating and it does looks like John Kidger could well have been FWR's father, but why would Ann name both of her sons William? And isn't it sad that FWR was abandoned but Willam wasn't? FWR's children had sad lives too with wife Harriet having a chronic, crippling illness; 2 of her children died of diptheria aged 4 and 7, one son went off to war aged 15 and promptly got his leg blown off. And Isabel and Jack I have already mentioned.
All so sad :-(

Right....back in the land of the living, fighting fit and raring to go..no pushing and shoving please!!

aawww

sorry to hear that you've been sick.

Hope all is now well


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Hello Sylv...thanks for your good wishes..as always..not sick..just operations on each hand to straighten two fingers...Dupitrons contractions..annoying and sometimes painful, but not life-threatening!!..not good for typing though!!
Take care
Derek x

Hi Derek

Glad to hear that your operation was successful :-)

Are you up for looking into my elusive STREET family of Cromford

Cheers for now
Chrissy J

Since I have the Parish Records for Cromford.....................oh go on then!!

good to hear you were not sick sick :-D

Glad the operations were a success, and you are back to "work" on here xx

I've just had to have a colonoscopy and an endoscopy (same time :-0 ) ....... and results were all good :-D :-D

Thank you kind Sir :-D

Henry STREET b. circa 1750 ?? married Sarah BENNETT on 6-5-1777 at Wirksworth both of Wignall.

England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
First name(s)Henry
Last name Street
Marriage year 1777
Marriage date 06 May 1777
Marriage place Wirksworth, Derbyshire, England
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Bennett
Residence Wirksworth, Derbyshire, England
Place Wirksworth
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Children
Name:Samuel Street
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hill Top
Baptism Date: 7 Jul 1778
Baptism Place: Horsley, Derbyshire, England
Father:Henry Street
Mother: Sarah Street
FHL Film Number: 1752152
Reference ID: item 4

Thomas STREET
Thomas s. of Henry & Sarah of ye hil top. Bapd August ye 6th.

Thomas son of Henry & Sarah Street of Cromford
England, Derbyshire, Church of England Parish Registers
Name Thomas Street
Event Type Burial
Event Date 14 Jul 1795
Event Place Wirksworth, Wirksworth, Derbyshire, England
Gender Male
Father's Name Henry Street
Mother's Name Sarah Street

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Mother Sarah (Bennett) STREET buried 31-1-1796
Sarah wife of Henry Street of Cromford

I know what happened to my Samuel STREET he joined the 38th foot regiment
Napoleonic War - Regimental indexes 1806 Transcription
First Name Samuel
Last Name Street
Year 1800
Enlistment month Oct
Enlistment Day 25
Regiment 1/38th Foot
Rank Serjeant
WO25 / 971
Category Military, armed forces & conflict

What I don't know is the parentage of Henry STREET and Sarah BENNETT if the records you have go back that far. I would also like to know if there where any more children of Henry and Sarah's floating about.

Your expertise is much appreciated.

Cheers for now
Chrissy J
Sydney, NSW

Hi Derek
I am looking for a Margaret Watson born 1892 in Derby Uk father John William Watson mother Margaret Swain does not seem to be anywhere
Thanks Aaron from OZ

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1361312

(just to give Derek the reference for your 'Thread' Aaron, although things not clear on Derby front!)

Chris :)

edits (and glad to see yourself and Sylvia doing ok, folks are missed here, lol)

Hi Derek hope your surgery has been successful and that you are ready for some more challenges.

I've had a break from researching but ready to start againso I'll see if I can find something else for you to solve.


Chrissie

Hi Derek Just to let you know I have found out that Mary Smith was buried in Nottingham Road Cemetery so no need to search for her. Still looking for her children Harry 1868 Derby, Mary Ann 1870 Derby, Samuel 1874/5 Derby
Thank You Ellen