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Hey all! I'm doing some research on behalf of a friend and have come across a small stumbling block!

I'm trying to find a birth entry for Walter Rigler.

According to his marriage certificate, he was born around 1885 and his father was George Nippard.

According to his WWI records, he was born in 1883.

He was from the Bournemouth area which around this time seems to have moved counties (Hampshire/Dorset), so have searched for both counties.

On the Census returns, he appears with his father, George Nippard and mother, Sarah Rigler. There are other children, both older and younger, and it seems unclear as to the whole set up of the family. George Nippard was previously married to Lidia/Lydia and I don't think he was married to Sarah afterwards...?

On one of the Census returns, Walter appears as 'Walter Nippard' so I have searched for this entry but...nope!

There are two 'Walter Riglers' born in the Bournemouth area around this time: Walter Rigler b 1884 (reg 1885) and Albert Walter Rigler b 1884. I've ordered both certs but neither turns up a Sarah Rigler or George Nippard as a parent.

Any ideas???

Would this be them on the 1881 census?

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
George NIPPARD Head W Male 44 Christchurch, Hampshire, England General Labourer
Martha NIPPARD Daur Female 8 Kinson, Dorset, England Scholar
Alice NIPPARD Daur Female 5 Kinson, Dorset, England Scholar
Sarah RIGLAR Step Daur Female 3 Kinson, Dorset, England Scholar
Annie RIGLAR Step Gr Daur Female 20 Kinson, Dorset, England Housekeeper
Lydia NIPPARD Daur Female 2 Kinson, Dorset, England


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Source Information:
Census Place Kinson, Dorset, England
Family History Library Film 1341505
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2094 / 37
Page Number 5

Sal

Hi Sally,

Yes, this is the family. On the 1881 census, Sarah appears as George's step daughter so I suppose it's possible he had children with her??

Or it could be that Walter just put George on his wedding cert as his father, as he was the 'father figure' even though be may have just been his 'step grandfather'?! Still doesn't solve the prob of no birth cert though!

And, Barbara, thanks but that's one of the two entries I've already seen. The parents of this Walter were Walter and Mary Jane Rigler (nee Miller), they appear on alternative census returns. Thanks though x

Walter Rigler reg Christchurch March 1885 according to 1891 census he was born in Kinson Dorset.
Eileen

Sorry forgot to put ref 2b/678 Christchurch JFM 1885
Eileen

Is this the one:-

Name: Walter Rigler
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Christchurch (1837-1925)
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 678

Kath. x

Hi Eileen,

Thanks, but this Walter Rigler was the son of Walter and Mary Jane Rigler (already ordered cert!)

Eileen again. In 1891 he is 7 born Kinson. There is an Albert Walter reg Poole in March 1884 5a/286

census search results 1891 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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NIPPARD, George Head Widower M 54 1837 Agricultural Labourer
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
RIGLER, Sarah Servant Single F 30 1861 Housekeeper
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
NIPPARD, Martha Daughter Single F 18 1873 Laundress
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
NIPPARD, Emma Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
NIPPARD, Walter Son M 7 1884 Scholar
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
NIPPARD, Amelia Daughter F 4 1887
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
NIPPARD, Charles Son M 1 1890
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
1637 Folio:
47 Page:
25

Registration District:
Poole Sub District:
Canford EnumerationDistrict:
3 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Kinson

Civil Parish:
Kinson Municipal Borough:
Dorset Address:
Kinson, Dorset County:




Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

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NIPPARD, George Head Single M 66 1835 Carter On Farm
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
RIGLER, Sarah House Keeper Single F 39 1862
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
RIGLER, Emily Daughter Single F 19 1882 Laundress
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
RIGLER, Milly Daughter F 13 1888
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
RIGLER, Walter Son Single M 17 1884 Farm Labourer
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
RIGLER, Charles Son M 11 1890
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
RIGLER, Frank Son M 9 1892
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
RIGLER, George Son M 6 1895
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
RIGLER, Edward Son M 3 1898
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW
SNELL, Fred Boarder Single M 54 1847 Farm Labourer
Kinson
Dorsetshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1977 Folio:
69 Page:
33

Registration District:
Poole Sub District:
Canford EnumerationDistrict:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Andrews

Civil Parish:
Kinson Municipal Borough:
Address:
East House, Kinson, East Howe County:
Dorsetshire

on 1891 children are Nippard and on 1901 Rigler

Have Sarah and Ann been mis-transcribed in 1881, as Sarah is only 3?

In the 1861, George is living with a wife, Lidia and next door but one to a Rigler family but no Sarah there.

I did wonder that myself Potty, it also seems probable that there was a previous marriage as they are down as step daughter and grand daughter.

Sal

just popping in but i think there is an online parish clerk for Dorset.

Could you give us ALL the details from Walter's marriage cert please - ages, addresses, names, fathers, occupations - when + where + witnesses.

Is this the marriage in 1910 to agnes?

Dea x

Yes, there is an online OPC for Dorset. I have checked Kinson but there are no records there for these years.

http://dorsetancestry.webeden.co.uk/#/1841-kinson-village/4528598296

http://dorsetancestry.webeden.co.uk/#/1841-kinson-village-2/4533045320

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engdorse/Kinson/A.html

The registration district for Kinson is Poole and there is this birth:

Births Dec 1883 (>99%)
Riglee Walter Poole 5a 256

Looking at the image the last two letters are very blurred but it could be Rigler. Worth a try?

Just one or two points here while I am chasing this around?

Where does it actually state that Sarah Rigler is George's mother?

George married Lydia Emily Cailes in 1865 - She was still with him on 1911 Census!

Do you have the birth cert for the Albert Walter born in 1884? - If so, who were the parents on that one?

Dea x

Ok, I'm getting very confused! Tis easily done! Here's the info I have on the background:

George Nippard: born Sept 1836, Christchurch. Parents Solomon and Jane Nippard.

Living with parents for census returns of 1841 and 1851, and his grandfather, William Nippard in 1861.

He married Lidia/Lydia Troke in 1870 and appear on census living with her in 1871.

Lydia died in 1878. From the birth listings, there are a few possible children but those that also appear on census are Martha (1872), Alice (1875) and Lydia (1878).

As far as I can tell, Lydia wasn't married to a Rigler, so don't really understand the 'step daughter' thing! BUT, can't find a birth for Lydia (1837/1838) - on the cusp of FreeBMD so can't say if she was born a Troke or been married before.

The only Sarah Rigler I can find was born 1861 in Portsea, Hants - which isn't a million miles away so a possibility. Maybe I ought to order the birth cert. Although, this doesn't answer the question who Walter's parents were or where his birth entry is!!!! Arghhhhhh!! Everyone seems to be illegitimate in this family!!!!

There was a Lydia Troke marriage in 1870 but do you have the cert? - Do you know for a fact that this is the correct one?

Dea x