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no - not in 1941 unfortunately

that could well be them looking at it. I hadnt seen that record before. The dates are a couple of years out, but i dont think they were literate.

and we had betty as being 4 years younger than joshua. We found her birth record in Ulverston, Cumbria

and the children dont match...

Sorry Janey I was going backwards instead of forwards. I screwed my head on the wrong way today. No, she wouldn't be Betty Bibby in 1841, and married before 1852 to a Bibby - normally.

Gina, where did you get your list of children from? I have checked on lan-opc and familysearch. I don't get a nice batch number giving them, appears to be only one at a time.

Have you found them for sure in other census records?

Ulverston? What are they doing there? what was dad's occupation?

I can't really search sensibly until you tell me how you know about all those children Gina.

we got the list from the http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
we put in bibby as a surname, john and betty as parents and looked for the ones that were in or near blackburn. Over Darwen was whre they lived

John, her dad, was a spinner, but we think he changed jobs and became a publican at some point

Gina, so he was a Cotton Spinner and became a Publican? Is that the one? EDIT you just said that!

Children on lan-opc:

Hannah 1831, Nancy 1833, Magaret 1843 (John, cotton spinner, wife Betty)
Thomas 1845, John 1846, William 1847 (John, inn-keeper/publican, wife Betty)

First 2 born Blackburn, rest born Over Darwen.

1951 census previously found is the best so far.

I don't think either of the 1841s are quite right but I can't do any better. Odd.

Well, Bugger me, off to look on Lancashire bmd, and I am getting an error message, so can't proceed with that line.

Anybody else tried it?

YES..........ITS BEEN FOR MOST OF THE EVENING

ANN

Gina, back to the beginning please. Assuming you are working backwards, which Bibby married your ancestor, and which ancestor and when and where?

Thanks Ann. I've had so many computer problems these last few weeks that I've started to assume that its me. I;ve never before had a problem with Lancashire bmds though. Wonder if the others are down too?

Nope, not a problem with them - just the one I want! Sods law.

Mary Ann Bibby(1869-1916) m David chippendale (1870-1915)
Her parents were George(1839-1915) and Isabella Stewart(1841-1917)
George was Hannahs brother.

Is that what you are looking for?

Hi Gina

I am looking for whatever you are looking for, just don't have the same information in front of me as you do.

So presumably you have the marriage cert of Mary Ann that shows her father as George? Do you also have the marriage cert of George and Isabella, which shows his father as John? And is John a publican? What date is that marriage and where did it take place?

We have the death ribbon of Mary Ann.

the census of 1871 has mary ann the child of george and isabella

(http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/records/srimage.aspx?ff_type=24&key=927463)

this is from lan-pc;

Baptisms: 29 Aug 1869 St Thomas, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Bibby - Child of George Bibby & Isabella
Born: 22 Jul 1869
Abode: 61 Audley Lane
Occupation: Weaver
Baptised by: H. Nescoe
Register: Baptism 1865 - 1877, Page 57, Entry 567
Source: LDS Film 1470818

Lancashire bmd has the births of Joseph, Margaret, Thomas and William, mother Saterseth, Satterforth, Sathuset and Sathather respectively. The last 3 appear to have died as babies. No birth of John, and no death.

I still can't find a reasonable 1841 family. There should be John 1803, Betty 1804, Mary 1828, Hannah or Nancy 1831 or 1833, Sarah 1837, George 1839 and possibly Joe 1841.

By 1861, John is possibly dead (death 1855 age 52), as is Sarah (1858 age 21), but there should be Mary 1848.

Hmm

Summat is wrong if we can't find a 1941 family.

Late at night, will look tomorrow.

Anyone else any ideas?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Elizabeth Bibby
Name: Elizabeth Bibby
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Blackburn
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8e
Page: 423 (click to see others on page)

Married Jacob Cottrill.

Do we think this is them in 1861?

1861 England Census
about John Bibby
Name: John Bibby
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Jacob
Mother's Name: Elizebeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Over Darwen, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 172
Household Members: Name Age
Jacob Catteral 41
Elizebeth Catteral 55
Mary Catteral 13
John Bibby 14

Joseph in 1861? with possible relatives.

1861 England Census
about Joseph Bibby
Name: Joseph Bibby
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Blackburn, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Over Darwen
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Darwen
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 290
Household Members: Name Age
Joshua Bibby 35
Mary Bibby 36
James Henry Bibby 13
Joseph Bibby 11
Alice Bibby 8
Betsy Bibby 6
John Bibby 5
Hannah Bibby 3
Edward Bibby 8 Mo
Joseph Bibby 19