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Margaret Gardner shown on 1851 census d of Ann Gardner (Smith)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1849
GARDNER Margaret
Ellel
mmn SMITH

many thanks for your information lancashireann and thankyou very much Andy and barbara for helping me so much tonight - very much appreciated

Hi lancashireann
i too was wondering about John smith aged 4 on the 1861 census - i wonder if he was janes child now with you finding the information that his mother is listed as smith too and he is down as a grandson to janes father head of house hold

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1870
SMITH Margaret Ellen
Ellel
mmn STANDEN

Ann Clarkson's probable birth reg

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1854
CLARKSON Ann
Wray
mmn HALL

interestingly the John Smith a 4 on 1861 census (grandson) mother's maiden name was Smith - so who's son?

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1856
SMITH John
Ellel
mmn SMITH

lancashirebmd.org.uk is a v useful site for the Lancaster area as it always gives the mother's maiden name on the birth registration

arh i was thinking that john was married to a Ann Clarkson as their is a Ann Clarkson listed as her niece......just shows you can't jump to conclusions must be a more distant niece if you can do that

joseph henry's birth

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1868
SMITH Joseph Henry
Ellel
mmn = STANDEN

that double marriage

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1862
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SMITH Jane STANDEN William Lancaster, Cockerham, St Michael Preston CE3/1/415
SMITH John STANDEN Ann Lancaster, Cockerham, St Michael Preston

you asked some time ago who Thomas Jenkinson was (1861 census). He was a servant and probably no relation as this is his birth reg

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1849
JENKINSON Thomas
Ellel
mmn = PHYSICK

Thankyou so much Andy for all you information this is such a tremendous help

This might not be relevant. Did a search for Smith and Moss Farm and these names came up, can't say how or if they are related.

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD SMITH ALICE F 1897 14 Lancaster Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD SMITH ESTER ISABELLA F 1908 3 Lancaster Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD SMITH JOHN M 1865 46 Lancaster Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD SMITH JOSEPH M 1910 1 Lancaster Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD SMITH JOSEPH H M 1869 42 Lancaster Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD SMITH SARAH F 1884 27 Lancaster Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD SMITH SARAH ANN F 1907 4 Lancaster Lancashire

Andy

John and Joseph are still together in 1911, but I can't give more info as I haven't a sub.


Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD SMITH JOHN M 1865 46 Lancaster Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD SMITH JOSEPH H M 1869 42 Lancaster Lancashire

Andy

This is brilliant Andy and Barbara trying to keep up with you both....looks like you say barbara a double marriage....
maybe i was getting excited about joseph being my greatgrandfather not sure yet

More for Joseph Henry Smith

1901 census. John and Joseph are shown as partners at Moss edge Farm

1901 England Census
about Joseph H Smith
Name: Joseph H Smith
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Cockerham, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Cockerham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lancaster
Sub-registration district: Ellel
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
John Smith 36
Joseph H Smith 32
Ann Clarkson 47 cousin
William Smith 81 Uncle (said to be incapacited)
Thomas Morland 18 Servant
Ellen Standen 5 Booarder
John W Hincliffe 13 Servant

Andy

This is fantastic many many thanks Andy and barbara....i now intrigued about Joseph h smith and wondering if he maybe a connection to another part of the family which i thought was from Barrow as the barrow smiths had a daughter who came into service on a farm in cockerham - mary smith born 1916 and wondering now if it's more than a coincedence

This could be a double wedding
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1862 (>99%)
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Smith Jane Lancaster 8e 671
Smith John Lancaster 8e 671
Standen Ann Lancaster 8e 671
Standen William Lancaster 8e 671

1881

This Ann, now Widow of John, with children and servants

1881 England Census
about Ann Smith
Name: Ann Smith
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Cockerham, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Cockerham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: Moss Side
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Farmer Of 79 Acres Emp 5 Men & 2 Boys

Registration district: Lancaster
Sub-registration district: Ellel
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Smith 47
John Smith 16
William Smith 14
Joseph H. Smith 12
Margaret E. Smith 10
Andrew Clarkson 66
John Smith 27
Ann Clarkson 27


Andy

Looks like John's wife was probably Ann Clarkson if her niece is clarkson

I think this is the death of William the father

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Deaths Sep 1866 (>99%)
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SMITH William 76 Lancaster 8e 389