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maureen thats the 1911 census l have on john its just a sad story. this is why l asked for advice to link up the family to adam jessop kilner in 1901 census michelle

So these aren't the 1901 KILNER children??
Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
Kilner May Duck N. Bierley 9b 154
Births Sep 1899 (>99%)
Kilner John Arthur N. Bierley 9b 207

(I know it's not Bradford,but...)

Maureen

Would you say l have solved the puzzle even though l havent got proof that john william kllner was the father to john,may, clara,and fred. michelle

no maureen l have these the john one you have found died in in the 3 qrt o 1904 his father was called harry and the mother was mary annie mays b/c came back with the mother called kate no father. after having the email from the childrens home l think l could be on the right track michelle

Loving a puzzle, will just stick this here to get it into my threads for now as I have to get some work done -- with Margaret and Maureen on the case there should be some good stuff in the thread, so I'll take a gander later!

Thank you so much janey l could really do with someone elses thoughts regards michelle x

Hate to be the "doom and gloom" type,but I have serious doubts as to John W Kilner being the actual biological father. He and Jane just didn't see to be together.
As Margaret pointed out,the kids MUST be registered somewhere. But under what???
The 1901 suggests middle names for May and John. Do you know what they are?
And have you found Jane in 1891?

Sounds as though you've done a good job of hunting so far,Michelle!
Janey will probably have you back to 1066 before you know it!

Maureen

Naw! Janey isn't that good.
So curious that those 2 children that you found, Maureen are right age, right middle initial but are not Jane's. But you know, on the 1901 census it doesn't say that they're Jane's children, they're all boarders.

Good point,Margaret,(about the children being Jane's). Shouldn't make assumptions.

And I'll let YOU deal with Janey...

Maureen

on the b/c its may duck kilner
john arthur kilner plus 1901 census for adam jessop kilner theres another 2 grandchildren living with them have found a baptism for gertrude eliza kilner and it says parents are john and jane elizabeth. when may was boarded out she went to a lady sophia dyson.adam jessop mothers maiden name was dyson regards michelle

is everyone scared of janey should l be worried

BOO.

I'm still trying to get work done.

Listen to the Ms. Whatever they're saying, I'm sure it's true!

couldnt find anything in 1891 census for jane. l have all info scattered over my dinning room table looks like hubbie is going to chip shop tonight michelle

OK-I see what you mean.
Gertrude Eliza Kilner
Christening:
06 MAR 1892 Yorkshire West Riding, , Yorkshire, England

Parents:
Father: John William Kilner
Mother: Jane Elizabeth

Source Information:
C033616

She and brother? George Frederick are with the KILNERs in 1901.
Hmmm. Well that makes me feel a bit better. At least it looks like they were together at SOME point.
I've lost John William on the 1901,though. Where is he?

Michelle,when I asked about the middle names-did you give me the names of children whose birth certs you've checked out already or something?? I didn't mean the ones I'd already pointed out,but rather the middle names of "your" people.

Might have to close down the 'puter soon. We've got a wicked storm blowing here.

Maureen

Was going to ask you, Maureen, whereabouts in NY you are. Thought it would be funny if you were just across the river from me. Guess not, you're talking about a wicked storm and it's a beautiful sunny day here.

I have no b/c for my john kilner or may none could be found but l do have john a kilner and may d kilners b/c. what l do have is claras b/c 13/12/1903 mother jane elizabeth kilner nothing for father michelle

the b/c for john arthur born 12/8/1899 father harry kilner mother mary annie but this john died in 1904

1901

Name: Arthur J Kilner
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Harry
Mother's Name: Mary Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Shipley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Shipley
Ecclesiastical parish: Shipley St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: North Bierley
Sub registration district: Shipley
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 206
Household Members: Name Age
Harry Kilner 38 ~ Grocer ~ EMPLOYER b.Penistone, Yorkshire
Mary Annie Kilner 38 b.Trowbridge, Wiltshire
Eleanor Kilner 10
Ernest Kilner 5
Arthur J Kilner 1

Michelle,
I'm not sure what to suggest next.
Sorry,
Maureen

Hi maureen,
Sorry its a bit late lve only just got home from work,l know lm on the right track for johns mother as l have email from the childrens home plus her marriage cert and death cert. her husband john w kilner wasnt with the other two children in 1901 census they were brought up by there g parents adam kilner/ eliza.for some strong feeling the family kept leaving country l wonder if they had jobs in france regards michelle x