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I hope so Quinsgran I really need to find some real info before I go mental lol

MrsGrumpy (Idon't belive that for a second)

The name Halsall is the one I was doing all my checking against and cross checking and with the name Halsall I kept drawing blanks and that's why I came on and asked for help.

Quinsgran's record from Ancestry:

Frederick C Brown
Mother's Maiden Surname: Halsall
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1925
Registration district: Wigan
Registration county: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8c
Page Number: 69 (click to see others on page)

Its surprising what people remember with a little gentle reminder.

It could be your step mother was told her mother in laws maiden name

Many thanks mgnv
I'm wondering what his name was lol Like i said before I know my father told a lie to get into the forces by changing his name and age, so I'm wondering what his real name was, Why can't mine be Just a simple one to deal with.

I am going to speak to his widow tomorrow my step mother so I'll ask her some more questions to see if he ever told her any thing different to what we know and I will keep you all up to date with my findings.

Jeff - no, I don't think that was at all what Quinsgran was saying - I think she was just recording the wrong Wigan b.cert you'd found previously. I think Benjamin's mid-name was Cecil - this was what I was hoping to find out from the local indices, without any joy - I guess you'll have to get that b.cert to know - and that Benjamin later went by the name of Frederick. If that is the case, then that does constitute a legal change of name - there was no requirement to register it, although as a practical matter, if he'd acquired any qualifications under the name Benjamin, it might have been worthwhile to put a change of name notice in the classified ads of the Liverpool Echo or whatever.

So you recon Charles could be his middle name and not Cecil then???

Jeff.

I think you might have found this birth.

From Lancashire bmds
Frederick Charles Brown 1925 Wigan and Leigh.
Sorry it does not give mothers name

Oh I forgot to add that Audrey Brown was an aunt and edghill is where I was born edgehill is in Wavertree Liverpool. so its certainly on the right tracks

Now looking through your list of names I just looked at my grand mothers Death certificate in more detail and on there is My Fathers name Frederick cecil as the person to whom issued but in the columbs under Signatures description and residence information I have the initials and name of of what looks like JG Brown.

As you may know, one can buy BMDs from the GRO or the RO for the district they were rego'ed in.
Some local RO's have their indices transcribed and online:
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1925
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BROWN Benjamin C Toxteth Park East Liverpool TPE/24/84

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1928
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BROWN Arthur W Toxteth Park East Liverpool TPE/28/9
[The GRO has 2 Arthur W's rego'ed in 1928 - this is the TPE one]

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1929
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BROWN John G Abercromby Liverpool ABE/95/99

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1931
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BROWN Audrey Edge Hill Liverpool EDGE/23/87

[Edna M (1932) not listed yet]


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1921
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BROWN Benjamin QUAYLE Florence West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/388/194

Thanks Shirley
I'll do that tonight and don't worry I'll let you know if and when I get to the bottom of it because I don't know if my grandparents were both Australian or if Nan was English. soooooo confusing.

I really appreciate everyones help and I will keep you upto date

Jeff
get the certs from here
www.gro.gov.uk
you have to register free and they will give you a password for future in an email. (Tip ,save the email and copy and paste the password every time you want to log in to reorder,the password is case sensitive).
You must tick the box on the first page of the order thats asks is the GRO ref is known and then fill in where asked, you only need to specify what type of cert you are ordering AND for a marriage only one name is needed,
There is the check point ref on about page 3 of the order which if you tick takes you to another page where you can specify the check you want ie if you want them to check the fathers name then specify the name.
Payment is secure and by debit or credit card.
Once you have ordered it becomes easier to do each time.
I think we would all love to know if this is the right cert if you get it .
Shirley

Hows this for a spanner in the works?
My grandad was born in Sydney Australia, does anyone recon that my grandmother could have been born in Australia then???

Thanks Shirley I think your right so how and where do I get the birth certificate??

Thank to everyone thats helped me here its all now becomeing a little clearer.

I reckon its worth buying the cert for Benjamin c .you could use the check point of his father being Benjamin. Its logical he may have been reg Benjamin after his dad but then called Fred on a day to day basis,I have similar instances in my tree.You may get lucky too and the address ties up as well. Its worth a £3 punt as you will get a £4 refund if the checking point doesnt match.There certainly desont seem to be any frederick births that tie in

It may well be that they just called her Florrie from birth sometimes a florence was called Flo for short.

If that is the one then you have Just found me loads of my relatives and I'm really excited at the moment, Thank you so much Christine

If that is the correct marriage then this Florrie Quayle fits in with her age at death.


1901 England Census
about Florrie Quayle
Name: Florrie Quayle
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: West Derby St Nathaniel Windsor
County/Island: Lancashire


Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 73
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 150
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Quayle 48
Mary Quayle 36
Annie J Quayle 8
Florrie Quayle 3
Lillian Quayle 4 months

Christine

His name was frederick Cecil but I did find out he lied about his name and age to Join the army during the war.
He went into the army as Cecil Brown and made himself a year older than he was

WoW that certainly adds up and makes them around 21 ish when they married they were both born in the same year 1898 I remember meeting my nan only the once way way back in the 60's and I was only knee high so as far as I was concerned her name was Nan lol

Do you ladies recon that Quale could be her maiden name then???
and if so why has it taken you ladies minutes to find it and I've spent days looking for it lol

If you ladies recon it could be Quale then thank you so so much for all your help

I wonder if your father was registered as Benjamin but then went by Frederick as his father was Benjamin.

Christine