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Just an update on Emma Farrell / Wylie . My sister believes she remembers my Father going to his Mother Emma's funeral approx 1957 / 58 and it must have been in Lancashire because he couldn't drive ( or indeed afford to own a car )
If as previously suggested Emma had taken some other mans name , what name would she have had her death registered as ? Would she have had to legally be registered as her last married name ?

Hi , glad to be back , tried Ancestry for a while . Hope that isn't swearing on here .
The informant is someone I have never heard of , nor does it give any connection or relationship to the deceased . So not sure if I have the wrong John Farrell or it is a mistake on the certificate . The problem is further enhanced by the fact that the certificate also states " causing the body to be cremated " so can't even trace a grave to see if we recognise anyone else buried in the same plot .
On free BMD there is a possibility of another John Farrell being born the same qt as my ancestor , I might just get that birth certificate and check the birth date .
In the meantime , I will carry on the search .

Peter...Good to hear from you again...

The date of Birth on any document especially when supplied by someone else eg Death Reg.is only as valid as the info given by a third party even if it's a family member...Who Reg. the Death...?

HI ALL , I am still searching for any info on my Grandfather John Farrell from Bootle Liverpool . I thought I had at least found a death cert , but date of birth is 2 days out ( do errors occur on documents like this in 1970 ? )
I have found his last known address which is Flint Street Bootle in 1926 where he was living with his married sister ( Bridget Wolfe ) we know this because he had his merchant seaman war medals delivered there ..( and confirmed by electoral role .)
Going back to the death cert I tracked down , is there anyone out there know of a John Farrell who lived at 14 Eden Vale Bootle in 1970 so that I can eliminate him from my enquiries

my grandads sister beatrice rogers married a farrell and they were from liverpool i cant remeber whether it was john or james farrel but my second cousin is rita farrel

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR HELP .
I am sure the funeral of Emma was locally ( within 50 mls ) and having searched many immigration docs I am almost certain she didn't go abroad as either Wylie or Farrell but the idea that she just took someone elses surname and lived as married honestly never occured to me . But anyone who just walks away from her newborn child is possibly capable of that and would save on divorce . John Farrell snr was in the merchant navy and away a great deal so perhaps lonliness got the better of her .

Can't see any emigration/immigration records for Emma.

If your dad went to her funeral then wouldn't it most likely be in this country? Quite likely it was just her son emigrated.

Peter...Have you tried to find Emma's obituary in the news papers.. ?

There's nothing much on FS - check:

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=AUSTRALIA_NEW_ZEALAND
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_KINGDOM_IRELAND

I would say Ancestry - check your local library for free access.
Alt, you can wait and hope they have a freebie on travel records - they did on the week of the 100th anniv of Titanic sinking. Sign up for their free newsletters - with .com, .co.uk and .com.au.

Births Jun 1896 (>99%)
Wylie Emma W. Derby 8b 445

Using http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1914
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FARRELL John WYLIE Emma Bootle, St Mary South Sefton A6/6/189

1911 England Census
Civil parish: Bootle cum Linacre
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 133 Worcester Rd Bootle Lpool
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: Bootle
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Piece: 22435 [Household schedule number: 24]

Ernest Weaver Whitmore 36 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Head M Foreman Shipwright
Emily Augusta Whitmore 36 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Wife M
Elsie Whitmore 8 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Daughter
Dorothy Whitmore 6 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter
Marjory Whitmore 3 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter
Emma Wylie 17 Bootle, Lancashire, England Servant S Domestic Servant
[Years Married: 11; 4 live births; 3 still living]

Worcester Rd is abt 1km long, running just E of and parallel to Hawthorne Rd, between Breeze Hill & Aintree Rd. Aintree Rd becomes Marsh Lane as it crosses Hawthorne


1911 England Census
Civil parish: Bootle cum Linacre
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 109 Marsh Lane Bootle
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: Bootle
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Piece: 22430 [Household schedule number: 102]

Joshua James French 32 Bootle, Lancashire, England Husband M Fireman At Sea
Margaret French 30 Bootle, Lancashire, England Wife M None
Joshua French 3 Bootle, Lancashire, England Son None
Margaret French 9/12 Bootle, Lancashire, England Daughter None
Michael Farrell 74 Armagh, Ireland Father W Labourer
John Farrell 21 Armagh, Ireland Brother S Labourer
Esther Farrell 19 Armagh, Ireland Sister S None
[Years Married: 10; 4 live births; 2 still living]
Joshua Snr is unemployed and away - his entry is crossed out


Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Farrell Margaret W. Derby 8b 528
French Joshua James W. Derby 8b 528
etc

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FRENCH Joshua J FARRELL Margaret Bootle, St Matthew South Sefton A7/1/422

Births Mar 1903 (>99%)
French James W. Derby 8b 347

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1902
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
FRENCH James Bootle South Sefton FARRELL B/14/199
[LancsBMD indexes by year of event - GRO by quater of registration]

Deaths Sep 1904 (>99%)
FRENCH James 1 W. Derby 8b 310

Bootle subdistrict was only created 1899q3 - South Sefton now has the rego's.
LancsBMD only started on S Sefton a couple of y ago. They've done marrs thru 1950, and are doing a couple of years of births every 6 m or so - there up to 1905 now.

which site is best for checking on migration , particularly to Australia ?

Sorry I only have the info off free BMD qt june 1896 as we have been concentrating certificates on the Farrell side of the family

Hello Peter - it's quite possible that Emma took up with another man and used his name without the benefit of marriage, perfectly legal to do so.

What was her exact date of birth - sometimes useful in locating a death record using first name and birthdate (depends when they died, though).

I have made great inroads into my family tree since my last post , and I would once again thank you all for your help . But alas I am still unable to trace what happened to my Grandfather John Farrell (b 1890 Bootle Lancs) and my Grandmother Emma Farrell nee Wylie (b 1896 Bootle Lancs) .
We know they split up after my fathers (John Farrell ) birth june 1915 in Bootle , but I can find no trace of her re-marriage under Farrell or Wylie .
Family legend has it that in the late 1950's my Father was informed of Emma's death and went to the funeral and while there was introduced to another son who had apparently come from Australia to be there . We don't know if Emma had travelled there or he had . I have tried the travel documents I have access to but can find no trace of Emma going abroad .Can anyone offer a lead as to where to look ?

Thanks once again mgnv , there will be a need to trace a few BMD's from Ireland now as at least two of my ancestors appeared to have returned to Ireland .

Janey's post raised a point on content of Irish BMDs.

Their content thru 1921 was the same as English BMDs

One can see examples (Churchill, Conan Doyle, Nightingale) of English BMDs pre-1969 via
http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_186584.pdf

Also, there's a list of the registers the GRO holds, and the holdings of the local crown dependencies.

The family Clover found you in 1901 Michael & Catherine, most of the children born in Liverpool. Catherine maiden name McCrink, Michaels father a John. Michael could be a cousin to your Michael.


The Griffith valuation have 5 Farrell's in Carrickboard, Thomas, Patrick, Anne, Peter & John.

http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_start.php

Clover , your info on Peter ,Rose and daughter Alice in 1901 census seems to suggest that Peter returned from England which fits in as we could find no trace in English 1901 census.
thank you

www.emeraldancestors.com

Indeed, giving a link to where information is found / can be found is really the best thing to do!

Unless, aha, this is coming from a disk, which I suspect.