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These are in Ireland?

Yeah, Peter doesn't make it easy. We'd been talking England up to then.

So I assumed we were talking about this couple in the 1911:

Marriages Sep 1902
Cross William W. Derby 8b 528
> FARRELL Margaret W. Derby 8b 528 - daughter of Michael - ?
> French Joshua James W. Derby 8b 528
Rigby Elizabeth Maud W. Derby 8b 528

Clarity hoped for!

Marraige????
Farrell Stephen Newry 1871 Volumn 1 Page 1022.

This, presumably, is the marr

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1872
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
FARREL Michael WILLIAMS Margaret Chorley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RO/12/164

[It could be a rego office marr, but back then, the registrar would also have to attend all non-conformist marrs.]

Just for ref
The GRO(I) index thru 1958 (excl N. Ireland post-partition) is available at:
https://www.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE

One can purchase certs (or cheaper still, the uncertified images of the rego) via:
http://www.groireland.ie/

The Irish 1901/1911 censuses are free at:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
[Not heard of any release dates for next census (=1926 in both Irelands)]

HI Janey , yes that is Michael , I checked on the original and it is most definately him . (more mistakes than enough in transcribing my ancestors)

Hi Clover, I am sorry if I am confusing everyone .
I have reasonable records now of Michael and Margaret once they arrived in England including their marriage in church at Chorley . and their lives in Liverpool . It is his father Peter and his mother Alice ( who we believe stayed in Ireland ) that we are now interested in .

Peter, do you know whether any of the Farrells in the Irish census on the previous page are yours?

And how about the Stephen Farrell marriage Clover has suggested? He was the one shown in the earlier English census as married, if I recall correctly without hunting back again.

If that's his marriage, the certificate could tell you things maybe.

If the people in the Irish censuses are related, it would give you other names to use in searches backward. Sometimes if you can't find your own ancestor's baptism record, for instance, you can find a sibling's. Or, if you're looking for your ancestor's parents' records, you might find records for a parent's siblings.

I am trying to make sense of them at the moment , especially the marriage of Stephen .I have asked Clover where he found the info .
It is a bit overwhelming to get all that info at once . but I will work through for any links .

Stephen Farrell married a Mary Murphy 18th January 1871 Meigh Roman Catholic Church in the parish of killevy civil district Newry Co Armagh


Forgot to add Stephen father's a Peter

Found Peter's will

Title : Date of Death : 25 July 1897
Surname : Farrell Date of Grant : 12 January 1898
Forename : Peter Reseal Date :
Registry : Armagh Effects : Effects £41
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Full Abstract :
Probate of the Will of Peter Farrell late of Carrickbroad County Armagh Farmer who died 25 July 1897 granted at Armagh to Mary Farrell of Carrickbroad Widow.

Mary Farrell is Stephen widow
Full will on http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars.htm

Maura you are a Godsend , that has got to be my gt gt uncle .
thank you so much for the help ...
Pete

O M G that is incredible info .
My gt gt grandfathers will plus the info that Stephen died before his father .
many many thanks
Pete

Bridget Farrell married a Peter Brannon 21st January 1869, same chrch as Stephen.

I
told
you
so


I posted this summary of deceased Peter Farrells in Armagh on page 2:

1840-1906
>> 1817-1897
1825-1900
1818-1889

that one and the 1818 one having been the two possibilities, in view of the birthdates of the sons and the likely birthdate of wife Alice (the death record I posted on page 2).

Is there any chance that Alice's actual death certificate info would include her birth surname, oh ye Irish experts?

;-)

No Irish death records don't include maiden names

I have just read the will and it is so sad , but thanks to all you kind people I am now on a roll .....
WE LOVE YOU ALL ! ! ! ! !

Peter jr married Rose Grant 3rd Jan 1872 same church as Stephen & Bridget

Maura , have you got a direct line to parish records in Ireland ?
how do you get the info so quickly ? I can't keep up writing the info down , let alone adding it to my tree ....
once again thank you

Indeed, giving a link to where information is found / can be found is really the best thing to do!

Unless, aha, this is coming from a disk, which I suspect.

www.emeraldancestors.com

Clover , your info on Peter ,Rose and daughter Alice in 1901 census seems to suggest that Peter returned from England which fits in as we could find no trace in English 1901 census.
thank you