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I have just started tracing my family history and had great success tracing male relatives. I am trying to trace my grandmother's family and can't seem to to find her registered birth despite knowing her date of birth and place (27th March 1917 York Yorkshire). I believe she was born in a place for unmarried mothers. So I assumed the mother's maiden would be Cooper. I know she was brought up by her father's family. She could have taken her father's name (could have been Cooper) and in that case would it be impossible to trace her? I would appreciate any help. Thank you

There is one birth of a Dorothy m ,reg district York,on Freebmd that is registered with the same surname of the baby and mothers maiden name,in the April to June quarter 1917,which is when she would have been registered no doubt.

If you need help to find it just ask.

But ,,freebmd,,is very easy to use and free.

Hi
Thanks for the advice, I've had a look on the freebmd and seen the name Dorothy Matthews, but it seems quite a long shot, but it could be my grandmother. I know her mother's name was Annie, and I might be able to find out when Annie died ,as she came back into my Grandmother's life in her latter years. (But no one left in my family knew her maiden name). Would a full death certificate have her maiden name on?

Re the death cert,,I dont think they do have maiden names on,the ones I have dont anyway.

This is the birth I found that looks likely for Dorothy.

Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
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Bullimore Dorothy M Bullimore York 9d 25

If she came back into your grans life as you put it what was her surname then.
Annie ????

Was she married? if so what was her husbands name?
Did she have any other children?

Thanks Vivenne for your efforts, The name Bullimore seemed to ring a bell. This is what I know of my grandmother's mother. She was called Annie; she was an unmarried mother when she had my gran who was born in York. she disappeared out of my gran's life, and got back in touch in the 1970's. She was married with a stepson and lived at Cleveleys near Blackpool. I believe she may have run a hotel with her husband at some point. Her married name was Annie Smith, she had no other children (not that we knew of anyway). She died late 80s or early 90's in Darlington and was either 97,98 or 99 years old. I've looked at Annie Smith death records in Darlington and can only find two and they were too young.
Not any specific dates I know, but I'm amazed already what people on here can find out .
Regards Karen

First..
For the £7 that it will cost you really need to send for that birth of Dorothy m bullimore as it is the only one that fits what info you have,and the date of birth will tell you ,as well as the place of birth ,hopefully ,that it is your grans.
And if its way off being her at least it has been ruled out.

This marriage I would say is your Annie,if I am correct on her maiden name

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Annie Bullimore
Name: Annie Bullimore
Spouse Surname: Smith
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1947
Registration district: Worth Valley
Registration county (inferred): Yorkshire North Riding
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 94

Mr Smiths name is

Follan C Smith,,now with a name like that it should hopefully stir some memories in your family.

Back in a bit

There is this death,but as you see it has a middle name.
Maybe she dropped her middle name from her marriage lines.
Or of course it is someone else altogether.

Name: Annie Eliza Smith
Birth Date: 6 Dec 1894
Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1993
Age at death (estimated): 98
Registration district: Darlington
Inferred County: Durham, Yorkshire
Register number: A45E
District and Subdistrict: 4361A
Entry number: 8
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There is no death for a Follan C smith in the transcribed deaths,so the quarters would need to be searched for it and that is a long and tedious job.

Only one man of that name on,,,freebmd,,,
So he is old enough to have married Annie.

Births Dec 1886 (>99%)
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SMITH Follan Charles Milton 2a 86

The Bullimore-Smith marriage is interesting in that there are no births to match. A younger couple would likely have had children.

But -- if Bullimore wasn't the bride's birth surname, the mother's surname on a birth would be different.

If it were Cooper ... well we'd be in the same situation I'm in back in 1825ish, trying to find the birth of Reuben Cooper, mother Smith! ;)


crossed in the post -- and he had an earlier marriage:


Marriages Dec 1908
SMITH Follan Charles Dartford 2a 1178

Cooper is believed to have been the natural fathers name I think?

So what was Dorothys fathers name,and with what Surname did she marry?

I wonder.

Marriages Mar 1914
BULLIMORE Ernest (Smith) Ecclesall B. 9c 483
Smith Annie E (Bullimore) Ecclesall B 9c 483


Might Annie have had a child while married to Bullimore, but it was not his child?

WWI and all that.

Coincidental Smith ... And Annie *E*.

And another coincidence:

Births Dec 1914
BULLIMORE Dorothy (Smith) York 9d 42

But I go back to there being only 2 births of a Dorothy M in 1917 2nd quarter in york,when she would have been registered.
And I would say you can rule out one of them straight away.

Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
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Bullimore Dorothy M Bullimore York 9d 25

xxxxxxxxWalker Dorothy M Parkinson York 9d 71xxxxxx

Yerrr ... and I go back to my grandfather believing all his life he was born in 1900 when he was born in 1901. ;)

I definitely agree, though -- get the Dorothy Bullimore birth cert and the 1947 Follan Smith marriage cert.

Well, this is fascinating.

Marriages Dec 1908
BEADLE Leonard Edward Dartford 2a 1178
? BROOKS Alice Sarah Dartford 2a 1178
DENHAM Alberta Dartford 2a 1178
> SMITH Follan Charles Dartford 2a 1178


1911

BROOKS FOLLAN CHARLES 1887 24 Dartford Kent
BROOKS ALICE SARAH 1890 21 Dartford Kent
BROOKS CHARLES 1911 2 MONTHS Dartford Kent
BROOKS ELIZABETH 1858 53 Dartford Kent
BROOKS HARRY JAMES 1861 50 Dartford Kent

Did Follan, Alice and Charles just get mis-entered / mistranscribed because they were with Alice's parents?

I missed that one on 1911,didnt think to only place Follan with no surname in the search box.
Slipped up there viv..

Roll on subs to 1911

A stepson for Annie?

There dont seem to be any more Smith/ Brooks births in the Dartford reg ,but equally there are no Alice s Smith or Brooks deaths of the right age.

But then again my paternal gran was a1905 only child and her parents lived to a good age,and obviously heeded the docs advise that more children would kill my g gran.
They must have been VERY careful in that day and age.

Whom did Dorothy marry, and under what surname? I think we're waiting for that answer.

Was it [I'm editing out the surname, you should probably do the same about the marriage/birth info, Viv], and did she die in 2001?

Follan Smith in military in WWI, stationed in Yorkshire?

I don't know about where military types were in England in WWI ...

None of this is explaining where Cooper comes into any of it, though.