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There we are. That has to be them - Albert's mother's surname was Graves.

And duh ... my eyes skipped right over "Athol Mary". Ethel May.

That's them.


Oh, I searched the Ontario marriages for Herbert Bulley and for anyone else with parents Walter & Charlotte, but there wasn't.

getting a bit confused now. 1901 census shows ethel bulley, born in cork ireland living with william bulley in kensington. could this be her father walter ? there is no charlotte bulley, but eliza bulley who is his wife and a nother son walter who is 8. how do i find out what happened to charlotte and how do i order copy of birth and marriage certificates?

You can get Irish Certs from:
Civil Registration Office
Office of the Registrar General
Roscommon
Ireland
Tel: 353 (0) 90 6632900
fax: +353 (0) 90 6632999


10 euro each.

You can phone them and they will explain the best way to order and pay.
I have always found them very helpfull.

I would get Albert Ernest Bulleys cert to be sure of his parents as its looking decidedly dodgy on 1901 for things.
Who knows,maybe Ethel changed thier names on her marriage cert for some reason.

Albert Ernest bulley 1886 Qtr 1 vol 5, pg 343 Kinsale County Cork

That is all you need to obtain it.

But just to muddy the water there are these marriages in england but of course there is no guarantee that they married each other,you would need to buy them to find out.

Marriages Mar 1881 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>>>>BULLEY William Edwin Portsea 2b 708
Glazbrook Mary Diana Portsea I. 2b 708
>>>>>>GRAVES Charlotte Portsea 2b 708
HAYWARD William George Portsea 2b 708
**************************************************************

Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%)
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>>>>>>>Bulley Edward Portsea 2b 593
CLARK William Joseph Portsea 2b 593
>>>>>>>>>GRAVES Charlotte Portsea 2b 593
Thorn Fanny Portsea I. 2b 593

****************************************************************

I am not going to attempt to try and sort it out .

Just try and get the birth cert of Albert I would.

thanks vivien phoning number but it keeps hanging up, maybe they have closed for day

Huh. The 1901 household:


William E Bulley 56 - born Portsmouth, Hampshire - army pensioner
Eliza Bulley 46 - born Paddington, London
Ethel M Bulley 14 - born Camden, Ireland
Walter E Bulley 8 - born Portsmouth, Hampshire
Civil parish: Kensington

Ethel's place of birth actually says:

Ireland Camden Fort Cork Harbow?

(Not sure about the last word, eye still not good here.)


I wonder whether

(a) Eliza is a second wife
(b) Ethel just didn't know her father's given name

She was in another country and he was probably deceased. It wasn't that unusual for people not to know their parents' given names. There is a *brother* Walter in that household.

Odd about the two Charlotte Graves marriages.

Possibly? --

Deaths Jun 1895
Bulley Charlotte 43 Alverstoke 2b 339

Marriages Jun 1895
? Blake Elizabeth Eliza Plymouth 5b 435
? Bulley William Plymouth 5b 435
Moore Albert Matthew Plymouth 5b 435
Rogers Laura Cornish Plymouth 5b 435


This marriage:

Marriages Mar 1881
BULLEY William Edwin Portsea 2b 708
GRAVES Charlotte Portsea 2b 708

-- 1881:

William E. Bulley 38 - born Portsea - Occupation: Corpl R Engrs
Charlotte Bulley 30 - born Landport
Frederick W. Bulley 1 - born Devonport
Civil parish: Alverstoke

That does seem to be the same William E Bulley as in 1901.


There's only one Charlotte Graves in the vicinity in 1871:

Charlotte Graves
abt 1852 Portsea, Hampshire, England
Housemaid
Portsea, Hampshire

Re : Ethel's birth place....

Camden Fort .Cork Harbour....

British Military Barracks (at the time in question) Situated on West side of Harbour.....Re named Fort Meagher (1938) now owned by Cork CC.

I just KNEW you would have to look,bad eye an all,thats why I didnt even attempt it.

My attempt would just have looked paltry after you had finshed sorting it out.

So Ethel got mums name right and mixed up dads by your findings.

EGB1916 -- figgered! Lots of English military brats born in Ireland in those days. ;) In fact, my aunt was, in the early 1920s.


So you think that's likely the way it went, Viv?

The marriage certs for Charlotte and Elizabeth Eliza would tell.

Too right about the Irish births,my very wayward g gran was born in ballincollig, in barracks ,just outside cork c 1873.

I reckon thats the expanation Janey,and Im sticking to it!

Hope you managed to get through to Rosscommon Kay.

If you dont manage to, let me know and I will let you know how I sent for my g grans.
Also if you need help to get certs here just shout,but never pay more than £7 here.
viv

you're all fab,............ still trying to get in touch with roscommon, will let know if i can't............how do i order certs for england marriages?

English certs -- always here, and never anywhere else!

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

That's the official site; places like Ancestry add huge mark-ups to the price.

You're asked whether you have the GRO reference, and you say Yes -- that's the volume and page number stuff from the index.

thanks janey on to it now

just found out that albert bulley was given a piece of land in alaska, from the canadian authorities for his service in the army there. dad does not know any more info and there is no paperwork. how would i find out if this were true?

Well, it ain't true, because Alaska is part of the United States, not Canada, so we (and the British Crown) didn't go giving away land in Alaska. ;)

There was a program after WWI -- I was just reading up on it for someone else's question! -- to give land to veterans from the UK. (My grandfather was one, in 1920.) It was supposed to be land that large corporations (railways etc) owned and were letting go to waste, but it ended up being land taken from the First Nations, for which they were finally given compensation in 1992.

It could have been land in one of the western provinces. I doubt very much that land in the north, e.g. the Yukon, would have been of much interest. Like Alaska, no farming there.

I've never succeeded in finding any record on line of my grandfather's land grant, although that's the story reported in my family.

You can try having a browse here:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/western-land-grants/index-e.html

but be prepared to spend some time!


Okay, I did a quick name search, and there are four Bulleys shown, no Albert.

thought i would give an update. got marriage certs for william bulley and eliza married in april 1895......... charlotte bulley, williams 1st wife died , he didn't register her death until may 1895...... on the death cert it says death by misadventure...........is there anyway to find out more about that?

when he married charlotte in 1881, certificate says he was a widower then as well, i can't find any record of him in 1871, or any other marriages. in 1861 he was a gasfitter in portsea hampshire, there is no record of him until 1881 when he married charlotte any ideas?

Not likely you can get more info on Charlotte's death. That would ordinarily mean some sort of accidental death.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/death+by+misadventure

a death due to unintentional accident without any violation of law or criminal negligence. Thus, there is no crime.
MISADVENTURE, crim. law, torts. An accident by which an injury occurs to another.


For instance, being run down by a car whose driver was not speeding etc., when one stepped off the pavement without looking, would be death by misadventure.


I would suspect that in 1871 William was in the military. Prison warder would be a predictable job for an ex-military man. Ah yes, in 1901 he was an army pensioner. He could have married in Ireland, in that case, or even someplace like Canada or India.

- Oh, that's right - we know he was in Ireland at one point, but after the marriage to Charlotte ... I'm getting confused on the timeline ...