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I am trying to find out if Charles Russell (earl of killowen) had any daughters , need to try and find out information on his daughters if any and who they married , i have searched all over the web to try and find out more about his daughters but with no luck , please can anyone help ,its the daughters partners i really need info on , thx kev.

Hi Kev,

is this the family??

1881 England Census
about Charles Russell
Name: Charles Russell
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 86 Harley St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Barrister At Law Practising Q. C. M. P.

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Cavendish Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Russell 47
Ellen Russell 40
Arthur Russell 19
May Russell 7
Bertrand Russell 4
Lilian Russell 3
Margaret Russell 1
Maria Mulholland 69
Clara Mulholland 27
Marianne Nugent 27
Mary Curley 19
Anne Fryer 47
Charles Gass 34
Frederick Wyatt 16
Elizabeth Curley 25
Emily Heath 24
Louisa Portlock 21
Mary Rockwell 22


Dee x

1891;

1891 England Census
about Charles Russell
Name: Charles Russell
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Nurey, Ireland

Civil parish: Banstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Banstead
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Epsom
Sub-registration district: Carshalton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Russell 50
Ellen Russell 49
Maria Mulholland 28
Clara Mulholland 26
May Russell 17
Bertrand Russell 14
Margret Russell 11
Arthur Russell 29
Cryis Russell 25
Frank Russell 23
Mary Verdon 55

1891 England Census
about Lilian Russell
Name: Lilian Russell
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Marylebone, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Litherland
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Litherland
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Mulholland 48
Rosa Mulholland 37
Brendan Mulholland 6
Lilian Russell 13
Annie Pritchard 25
Jane McGeeney 27
Margaret Murphy 22

Looking for the girls births;

Births Jun 1878
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Russell Lilian Mary A Marylebone 1a 516
RUSSELL Lillian Mary A Marylebone 1a 516


Births Sep 1879
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Russell Margaret Agnes M Marylebone 1a 533



Births Mar 1874 ???????????????
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Russell May Agnes C Lambeth 1d 488

Possible marriages for Lilian;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
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DRUMMOND Henry Olpherts Kensington 1a 445
Russell Lilian Mary A Kensington 1a 445
Taylor Alan Kensington 1a 445
Thompson Emily Elizabeth Kensington 1a 445



Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
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MARTIN George Henry Maidstone 2a 1539
RUSSELL Lilian Mary A Maidstone 2a 1539

The kensington marriage for Lilian look sgood, here's the family in 1901;

1901 England Census
about Margaret Russell
Name: Margaret Russell
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ludy Ellen <<<<<<<<< LADY ELLEN
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Abbott
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members: Name Age
Ludy Ellen Russell 64
Lilian Russell 23
Margaret Russell 21
Mary Curley 39
Isabella MacDonald 26
Ellen Hurley 32

I can't see a marriage for May, this is a possible with margaret??


Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1918 (>99%)
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Dry Isabella T[a_]roni S. Shields 10a 1310
Frame Alexander McP Russell S.Shields 10a 1310
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Russell Margaret A M Frame S. Shields 10a 1310
Taroni John O Dry S. Shields 10a 1310

So there was 4 daughters;

1871 England Census
about Charles Russell
Name: Charles Russell
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: St George Bloomsbury
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St George Bloomsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 66
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Russell 38
Ellen Russell 30
Charles Russell 7
Erleen Russell 6 <<<<<<<<<< think it states Eileen on image
Cyrel Russell 5
Francis X Russell 3
Louisa Jeffcott 38
Richard Ashton 37
Julia Breen 26
Susan Massey 18

This is a possible for Lilian in 1911;


HOUSEHOLD DRUMMOND LILIAN F 1878 33 Henley Oxfordshire Born London

HOUSEHOLD DRUMMOND HENRY M 1862 49 Henley Oxfordshire
HOUSEHOLD DRUMMOND JOHN M 1910 1 Henley Oxfordshire
HOUSEHOLD DRUMMOND DAVID M 1909 2 Henley Oxfordshire
HOUSEHOLD DRUMMOND PETER M 1908 3 Henley Oxfordshire
HOUSEHOLD BURNHAM EMILY F 1882 29 Henley Oxfordshire
HOUSEHOLD PALMER EDITH F 1894 17 Henley Oxfordshire
HOUSEHOLD PRATLEY ELSIE F 1894 17 Henley Oxfordshire
HOUSEHOLD PRATLEY ROSE F 1867 44 Henley Oxfordshire


The later 4 are domestics, it maybe worth looking at this and seeing what occupation Henry has........ with 4 maids I would presume it's fairly well paid.


Dee x

This looks like Henry's death;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Mar 1928 (91%)
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Drummond Henry O 66 Henley 3a 1316

From IGI;

HENRY OLPHERTS DRUMMOND Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 09 MAY 1861 Blythswood, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JAMES DRUMMOND Family
Mother: MINNA JOHNSTON

thx so much for the help , very fast .

i have the name john gracie i wonder if he could have been married to one of the daughters??

Hi Kev,

Any rough year of birth for him, or an area where he was born?

Dee x

John Gracie was a pavior and i think he was born in whitehaven , he had a daughter frances(fanny) Gracie who married 5/1/1879 at age 22, born 1857 also lived at 22 tangier street whitehaven , i dont know when john gracie was born , thx for your help dee x

Hi Kev,

this is from a tree on ancestry;

Name: Frances Gracie
Birth: Abt 1857 - Down, Ireland
Marriage: 5 Jan 1879 - Whitehaven
Parents: John Gracie, Margaret Gracie
Spouse: Tom Roe


John Gracie is a pavior born in 1837 Ireland, Margaret is also born 1837 Ireland (I would doubt her maiden name is Gracie).

So where do you think the Russells tie in with the Gracies?


Dee x

john gracie born c1838 i think

yes i just found that to thx , i thought that maybe margaret could have been a russell , (margaret russell)?

frances gracie is in my family tree (the one you found) she is my great great grandmother.

Have you tried looking in Burke's Peerage ...... or a similar book for Ireland?



Russell is a pretty common name though!


You could also try to find a marriage certificate for John Gracie and Margaret ........ that will show the name of her father, plus the names of the witnesses might also be clues




sylvia