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Teresa - now that I've figured out what your PM was about and found the thread in question back on page 3 of "My Threads", I'm just gonna reply here. ;)

Teresa has received docs confirming the previous marriage we found, and says thanks.

You're welcome!

Uh huh. I did.

Mary Ann -- a different Mary Ann -- but *Mary Ann all the same*.

;)

look at the age of Mary ann on 1871

But mother was Mary Ann all the same. ;)

1871

John Smith 38
Mary Ann Smith 25 - born Halstead
Eliza Smith 11
Robert Smith 8
Charles Smith 6
Louisa Smith 5
Arthur Smith 3
> Elizabeth Smith 16 months

this might be worth looking at but elizabeths age is wrong

1881

Name: Elizabeth Smith
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Female
Where born: Halstead, Essex, England

Civil parish: Halstead
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address: Tylers Yard
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Halstead
Sub-registration district: Halstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Smith 45
Mary A. Smith 41
Robert Rayner 19
Charles Rayner 16
Louesia Rayner 15
Arther Smith 13
Elizabeth Smith 11
Ada Smith 7
*********Mariah Smith 4
John Smith 1




rayners are all stepchildren so mother smith has died



June x

But hm, this one seems to match the birthplace of the Neville in 1891:


1871

Name: Eliza Ann Smith
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Inmate
Where born: Halstead, Essex, England
Civil parish: Halstead
ED, institution, or vessel: Halstead Union Workhouse

Mary Ann Smith 36
Emma Smith 13
Eliza Ann Smith 3


Too many. ;)

You're very welcome, and do post the answers when they come!

Well, I wonder about this household.


1861

Abraham Smith 41
Maria Smith 37
Henry Smith 13
> Maria Smith 11
Rebecah Smith 10
Abraham Smith 8
Lucy Smith 6
Joseph Smith 4
Hannah Smith 3


1871

Abraham Smith 54 - widower
Maria Smith 21
Abraham Smith 18
Joseph Smith 15
Hannah Smith 12
William Smith 8
James Smith 5
> Eliza Smith 3

Civil parish: Roxwell


I don't know the geography well enough ...

No German-born, though.

I certainly will. I am also going to a family party next month and there is someone who is a grandson of one of Evas brothers going, so I will ask him. Apparently, his grandad passed on a lot of old papers etc, so I will try and collar him. Thanks Ladies, a gold star to you all.

Elizabeth had a sister called Mariah. I dont know if younger or older.

Looks like!

Best idea seems to be to order up the birth cert for the birth June found. That should tell you her mother's name. Also the Neville+Bartlett marriage certificate, to make sure Eliza Neville = Eliza Smith.

And then come on back here and tell us the results!

Wow it seems she was married before then. No one seems to have known this. The aunt did say tonight that James had been married before , but not Elizabeth. Maybe it was actually Elizabeth then?? You know how stories get muddled through the years?

Looks like that birth cert is the only likely source of info ... with a name like Smith!

But I think we've dunnit to there. ;)

Name: Eliza Charlotte Smith
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Maldon (1837-1972)
County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 223 (click to see others on page)






1891

Name: Eliza C Neville
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Holstead, Essex, England

Civil parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: North Brixton St Johns
Town: Brixton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Brixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elliot Gough 38
Frances T Gough 43
Percy E Gough 11
Francis E J Gough 10
Robert E Gough 3
Constance N Gough 36
Eliza C Neville 24 widow
Emily Honey 24


June x

Aha.

Marriages Dec 1888
NEVILLE Henry Billericay 4a 495
SMITH Eliza Charlotte Billericay 4a 495


Eliza/Elizabeth was previously married to Neville and married Bartlett as Neville?


A sadly brief marriage:

Deaths Mar 1890
Neville Henry 25 Billericay 4a 249

maybe marriage but elizabeth is not on the list

Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bartlett James Billericay 4a 539
Neville Eliza Charlotte Billericay 4a 539



will check this out for you

June x

Well, I don't see her on the 1871! It's not that I hadn't looked ...

The first children of Elizabeth were born in 1890. There were James, Richard Lizzy and Eva was the youngest. I am positive they would have been married in Wickford

The dates I have on Eva are: born in Jan 1903 in Wickford
Elizabeth was 34 on 1901 census.
So goong back, she was born around 1868ish, so her mother would surely show on a census around 1870??
Wickford is also sometimes coming under Billericay in Essex, for registrations in that area

Problem is ... there's no marriage in Essex of James Bartlett + Elizabeth Smith.

Do you have that info at all?