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And then there's Sarah Ann, who wasn't born in 1848?

Births Jun 1847
Herbert Sarah Ann Sheffield 22 584

Where can we see the record of their marraige?

Ah. Things it helps to know. Presumably you did!

Marriages Sep 1842
? COCKER Sarah Sheffield 22 398
COCKER Theresa Sheffield 22 398
FLETCHER George Sheffield 22 398
GREGORY Anthony Sheffield 22 398
> HERBERT Wilks Sheffield 22 398
MOXON Ann Sheffile 22 398
SHERLOCK Cathrine Sheffield 22 398
VICKERS Johnson Sheffield 22 398

Is that a mistranscription from the marriage certificate?


... Ah. Great minds wonder the same things.

Yes you are all right. Sarah Coukham is Sarah Cocker (actually looks like Couker), on marriage to Wilkes Herbert. Got the marriage cert. It is a hotchpotch. Father William Cokeham, bride's signature Sarah Cokerhem, witness James Coukham, assumed her brother.

Yes Gwyn, he is an apprentice table blade forger, and then a table blade forger. Same man, I think. Age is a little low, I agree. Just no idea where he is in 1851 (or Sarah). He presumably dies before 1861 when Sarah is married to William Turner.

Ann, I think your Coukams are right, but not Sarah Ann Turner.

Yes, Selena is it Cocker, that is her.

No further on.

Any more ideas?

Margret

Is this the marriage mistranscribed as Cocker?

Marriages Sep 1842
COCKER Sarah Sheffield 22 398
COCKER Theresa Sheffield 22 398
FLETCHER George Sheffield 22 398
GREGORY Anthony Sheffield 22 398
HERBERT Wilks Sheffield 22 398
MOXON Ann Sheffile 22 398
SHERLOCK Cathrine Sheffield 22 398
VICKERS Johnson Sheffield 22 398

Sarah Ann Turner Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: Sheffield,York

Christening: 13 OCT 1850 Dronfield, Derby, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: William Turner Family
Mother: Mrs. Mary Ann Turner

1881

William COUKHAM Head M Male 35 Sheffield, York, England Labourer In Button Shop
Sarah A. COUKHAM Wife M Female 33 Sheffield, York, England
Jane COUKHAM Daur Female 9 Sheffield, York, England Scholar
William COUKHAM Son Male 8 Sheffield, York, England
Samuel COUKHAM Son Male 4 Sheffield, York, England
Sarah A. COUKHAM Daur Female 2 Sheffield, York, England
George COUKHAM Son Male 3 m Sheffield, York, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 9 Grouse Street
Census Place Nether Hallam, York, England
Family History Library Film 1342117
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4624 / 131
Page Number 18

Does the occupation of Wilkes found in 1841 match with the marriage certificate?

He would be rather young...

Gwyn

not wht you are looking for I know, but a connection I would think!!!

WILKES RALPH HERBERT Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 04 NOV 1769 Riccall, Yorkshire, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: ROBERT HERBERT Family

Hi all

Wilkes Herbert married Sarah Coukham in Sept 1842 in Sheffield, Yorkshire. The name of his father on the marriage certificate is not readable. Her father is William Coukham (Cokeham - and other possible variations). They have a daughter Sarah Ann b 1848. I can find only one mention of Wilkes Herbert(s) in 1841 as an apprentice with an apparently unrelated family, and not born in county (Yorkshire)

In 1861, Sarah is "married" to William Turner, and child Sarah Ann Herbert is living with the couple.

I can find no death of Wilkes Herbert, no trace of either Wilkes or Sarah in 1851, and no birth for Wilkes, though IGI has one of Wilkes Herben, father John (which could possibly be what is on the marriage certificate), but he IS born in Yorkshire 1821.

Anyone got any ideas please?

Margaret