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The piddington born Rose is still at home in 1901 -

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1417; Folio: 35; Page: 5.

I cannot see that there is any way round you NOT buying the marriage cert - it will tell you her fathers name - if its joseph then quite likely she is the Piddington Girl, if not, you are back to square one

in the 1911 census it has Rose as being born in Northampton, but what i don't understand on the census they have her down as COCKIN MAY ROSE, and her son as COCKIN WILLIAM CHARLES GARDNER, now William was his fist name,but Rose's first name was Rose not May.?

Basically , because thats what she told them - her death is registered as May Rose too

1)
Ros[Es] May Gardner 1883 Jul-Aug-Sep Northamptonshire

2)
Rose Gardner 1882 Jul-Aug-Sep Northamptonshire, Oxfordshire, Warwickshire

I know i just had i quick look, but what also confuses me is that her second oldest daughter is also called May,(i know she could have just like the name but i was thinking how they tended to call their children after the parents) but i know for a fact on her grave stone i visit it,it states Rose May.

Me again i've just talked to one of Roses children and they had her death certificate where it states that she was Rose after all (its nice to know i've got that bit right) and she was born 21 graften place northampton 1883.It also has her mothers name on it as Martha Marie Agar. Not quite sure how to spell surname.

hallelujia!

Marriages Dec 1868

AGER Martha Northampton 3b 173 <<<<
Ellard William Northampton 3b 173
Gardner Charles Northampton 3b 173 <<<
Millard Annie Northampton 3b 173

AGER is a northamptonshire name for deffinate,
Grafton place I expect
( yes I know the area as it happens)


right lets see what we can find now

might be, just hanging onto it for a minute

1881

Name: Charles Garten
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Eatonford, Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: Northampton Priory St Andrew
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street Address: 50 Compton St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Finisher (Shoe)

Registration district: Northampton
Sub-registration district: St Giles
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Garten 35
Martha Garten 32
Charles Garten 8
Kate Garten 6
Alfred Garten 4
Laura Garten 1
Elizabeth Ager 12
William Garten 22
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martha Maria Ager birth reg

Births Dec 1848 (>99%)
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Ager Martha Maria Northampton 15 272

Martha in 1861 census

Name: Martha M Ager
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Gender: Female
Where born: Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Kingsthorpe
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street Address: 13 Cock Lane


Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Northampton
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Ager 38
Martha M Ager 12 <<<<<
Mary A Ager 2
Harry Ager 1week
Sarah Wood 28

1871
Not sure where Martha is though - the rest of the family

Name: Harry Ager
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsthorpe, Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish: Kingsthorpe
Town: Kingsthorpe
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Northampton
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Ager 50
Sarah Ager 39 <<<has dad remarried?
Mary A Ager 12
Harry Ager 10
Selina Ager 9
Eliza Ager 6
William Ager 4
Lily Ager 2
George Ager 1


Uh Huh! 1861 has a Sarah Wood Living with him, and by 1871 he's married her

Henry Ager 1866 Northampton (1837-1923) Northamptonshire <<<<

Ann Black 1866 Northampton (1837-1923) Northamptonshire

William Stringer 1866 Northampton (1837-1923) Northamptonshire

Sarah Wood 1866 Northampton (1837-1923) <<<<

Thanks for all the information Minnie. I did find Henry married to a Sarah Lovell 1846,and a Sarah Ager did die 1860. I also did find him married to a Sarah Wood (at least he won't get the name wrong).

i did find Henry Ager on the 1851 census

Henry Ager 28
Elizabeth Ager 61
Sarah Wood 19
Martha M Doger 2

it states that Sarah is a visitor,but i don't understand the Martha M Doger it states she is Henry's daughter, so will she be the Martha Ager i am after.?