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ER's were taken but would be no use for finding Robert or his mother as neither would be eligible to vote

Hello jax
Thanks for your reply I'm afraid I have come up against a brick wall.
Thanks again
Janice

I am still trying to trace the birth of Robert Ellick. I have found an Emma Ellick born abt 1846 in Ireland on 1871 Channel Islands census,living as a lodger with John and Bridget Lowman
I am wondering if she could be Robert's mother, but cannot find her in any other records. I know I am clutching at straws, but the Robert Ellick I found on 1861 cenus was from Channel Islands.
Any help would be appreciated.
Janice

You won’t necessarily ‘find’ a birth from the Channel Islands. They have their own systems. Sometimes thry do come up on Ancestry but you would have to apply for any documents direct. They are not covered by the GRO.

Hello nameslessone
Thank you, have not found anything on Ancestry.

If you know the parish he was likely to have been born in you can apply for the birth record. Google for instructions how to do it.

Have you taken a fresh look at Family Search ?

I don't think my husbands grandfather was born in the Channel Islands, various documents quote birth in Birmingham and "at sea". I was trying to trace records for Emma Ellick born 1846 hoping this would lead to Robert Ellick.

From earlier posts on this thread, I thought you'd decided that the man in 1861 census was Elliott, and not Ellick? In which case, the Channel Islands seem like a red herring.


Birmingham is given as Robert Ellick's place of birth in more than one record.

Just for reference - I know some of this has been posted before:

Robert W Ellick
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Robert W Ellick
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Walsall
Country: England
Street Address: No 4 White Lion Yard, High St, Walsall
Marital status: Married
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration District Number: 370
Sub-registration District: Walsall
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Piece: 17165
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert W Ellick 38
Mary Anne Ellick 34
Margarett Ellick 8
Abraham Ellick 6
John Robert Ellick 3
James Ellick 1


Robert Ellick
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Robert Ellick
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Relationship: Lodger
Birth Year: 1872
Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Aston Cantlow
Ecclesiastical parish: Aston Cantlow
Residence Place: Aston Cantlow, Aston Cantlow, Warwickshire, England
Registration district: Alcester
Sub registration district: Alcester
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 2481
Folio: 79
Household Members Age Relationship
Sarah Bonchill 75 Head
William Mason 47 Lodger
Robert Ellick 19 Lodger - Farm labourer


Robert Hellick
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Robert Hellick
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relationship to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where Born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: Aston Cantlow
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: Aston Green
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Alcester
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 3106
Folio: 88
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Bonehill 65
Eliza Bonehill 33
William Bonehill 24
Robert Hellick 9
Thomas Horton 19

Also posting the 1901 census for reference:

Robert Ellick
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Robert Ellick
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: High Seas
Civil Parish: Rushall
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Daw End
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration District: Walsall
Sub-registration District: Aldridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors:
Piece: 2705
Folio: 123
Page Number: 29
Household Schedule Number: 151
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Nicholls 55
George Ethelstone 70
Arthur Burns 4
Daniel Pakes 22
Robert Ellick 27 - contractor (underground), High seas, British subject, born at sea.

Find My Past are said to have 'Births at Sea'records

As he was born before 1875, there may simply not be a birth registration. No penalties for not registering until 1875

Did he name a father when he married?

The National Archives (UK) states that any record made of a birth or death at sea from 1837 onward was sent directly to the General Register Office and recorded in the Marine Register.

Unfortunately, digital records of births, marriages and deaths at sea on board British ships incur a cost to search them. Find My Past allows you to search the indexes of the General Register Office and National Archive overseas records of births, marriages/banns and deaths/burials. They also allow you to search for an individual ship should you know its name. Be warned that some years are absent from the record, and any marriage which took place on board a merchant ship was not legally valid.

https://www.freeukgenealogy.org.uk/about/genealogy-research/uk/bmds-at-sea/



But having looked on FMP, there's no Robert Ellick or similar c1874

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/british-armed-forces-and-overseas-births-and-baptisms

Janice said his father's name was stated to be Robert William Ellick, deceased.

JaneyCanuck suggested that it could be an invented name, if he didn't know who his father was.

In the 1939 Register, his DOB is given as 7 Dec 1871 - though we know not to trust that to be accurate:

Robert W Ellick
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Robert W Ellick
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 7 Dec 1871
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 33
Residence Place: Walsall, Staffordshire, England
Occupation: Labourer Public Works H W
Line Number: 16
Schedule Number: 260
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: Ooos
Borough: Walsall
Registration district: 370/2
Inferred Spouse:
Mry A Ellick
Inferred Children:
James Ellick
Household Members Age
Robert W Ellick 68
Mry A Ellick 62
James Ellick 29
Frank Elliot 19

In the 1871 Channel Islands census , Emma's surname looks more like Ettick on the image:

Emma Ellick
in the 1871 Channel Islands Census
Name: Emma Ellick
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where Born: Ireland
Civil Parish: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Jersey
Sub-registration District: A
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 8
Piece: 5755
Folio: 145
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
John Lowman 53
Bridget Lowman 48
Emma Ellick 25

Not that that helps find any other record for her, however.

Yes, just read back on previous posts, and would concur with the suggestion that the father was invented. Quite a regular occurrence to hide illegitimacy

Thank you all for your help it is much appreciated. When I found what I thought was Emma Ellick in Channel Islands on 1871 census I thought she may have a connection to Robert Ellick/Elliott on 1861 census. Wrong again.