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28 Jul 2009 09:40 |
I am in contact with a descendant Of Sarah. At first I thought she died after 1841 but found no trace. When I found she went to Australia I thought it strange that a young girl from the middle of nowhere would go all that way on her own. And she could read and write. The school did not open until 1841 although there was a school mistress in the village in the 1841 census. It was not until this week that I got a clue as to what happened to Thomas and a possible reason for Sarah going. I do not think she would have realised just how vast Australia is. It is my last day up here. Back to work tomorrow. I am going to Stow in the Wold library this morning to try to find the Evenlode papers. Then back to London. I have collected lots of pictures and got a feel for the area so not a wasted trip.
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AuntySherlock
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28 Jul 2009 09:54 |
As Julie said these are the birthsfor children of Frederick and Fanny in NSW in the 1880s. Worth keeping in mind because the name is not that common.
2049/1882 BRAGGINTON SYDNEY H FREDERICK C FANNY M SYDNEY Buy Now 2195/1885 BRAGGINTON MATILDA A J FREDERICK C FANNY M SYDNEY Buy Now 1835/1888 BRAGGINTON LILIAN M FREDERICK C FANNY M SYDNEY Buy
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Julcoe
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28 Jul 2009 10:57 |
Have added the New Zealand birth, which was prior to the Australian births. No marriage found though.
Do not know what happened to the family after the births though ??
Year/Reg.No....1878/5362 Name .. Bragginton Albert John Mother .. Fanny Matilda Father .. Frederick Charles
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AuntySherlock
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28 Jul 2009 12:39 |
Christine you need to do some serious sorting. The dates of birth, ages given at his conviction and dates and ages of death do not add up.
If we are looking at someone who was 24 in 1819 his date of birth would be 1795.
If he was christened in 1782 he would have been about 37 in 1819.
If he was born in 1795 his age at death in 1858 would be 63. You can't mistake an 80 year old for 63.
If he arrived in Aust in 1820 and died in 1858 in Australia the 1881 census data can not be him. That would have to be his grandchildren's information. That Thomas Bragginton would have been born in c1846.
I can find no evidence that he received a conditional pardon. I am not certain Thomas Brassington is the same person. He came to Aust on a different ship and in a different month. (His ship I think was Neptune 3, your TBs was Neptune 1) If you would like to take that search further try this site. An awful lot of the info is only available for looking at in the reading room.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
Look at the online indexes/historical records.
I have already searched and apart from finding his name as coming to Australia in 1820 have drawn a blank.
I have asked Kerri on the Records Office board to do a search of South Australian records. That should give us the fate of Sarah and whether Thomas joined her. Do you know that Sarah was your Thomas's daughter. I immediately assumed she was his wife.
How much of the info on the thread fits into what you know about the family. Give us a summary so we know which track to follow.
I am going to search WA and QLD records for any evidence of the family between 1820 and 1858 OK Nothing shows in West Aust or Queensland for the family.
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AuntySherlock
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28 Jul 2009 13:32 |
Just had a look on Ancestry at the original transportation register for 1818-1820. Thomas Brassington come up. On the original his name looks like it is spelt Bragington. In that old fashioned lettering where the "s" looks like an "f" or a "g". The handwriting is beautifully clear. Makes me wonder if this is the correct Thomas after all.
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AuntySherlock
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28 Jul 2009 14:27 |
Whooo hooo! Lookee what Kerri has found. Sarah Braginton went to South Australia. Here is her info. Well done Kerri and thank you.
Groom: BALCHIN Given names: James Bride: BRAGINTON Given names: Sarah Date: 1849-01-22 Groom Age: 36 Status: S Groom's Father: [unrecorded] Bride Age: 27 Status: S Bride's Father: [unrecorded] Place: Holy Trinity Church Adelaide District: Ade Symbol: Book/Page: 3/16 Cross Reference:
Surname: BALCHIN Given Names: Charlotte Date: 1862-03-24 Sex: F Father: James BALCHIN Mother: Sarah BRAGINGTON Birth Place/Residence: Eyres Flat District Code: MoV Symbol: Book: 24 Page: 504 Cross Reference:
Possible mistranscription??? Surname: BOLTON Given Names: Elizabeth Date: 1849-06-04 Sex: M Father: James BOLTON Mother: Sarah BRAGINTON Birth Place/Residence: Morphett Vale District Code: Ade Symbol: E Book: 2 Page: 152 Cross Reference:
Note-symbol E means probable error but not corrected....dont know if this concerns Sex as Male or surname different-or both.
Possible arrival of Sarah..... Sarah Bragantine, arrived in South Australia 20th December 1844 from Port Phillip, Victoria aboard the schooner HAWK
Surname: BALCHIN Given Names: Sarah Date: 1907-04-15 Sex: F Age: 87y Status: W Relative: James BALCHIN (DH) Relative 2: Residence: Murray Bridge Death Place: Murray Bridge District Code: Nai Symbol: Book: 324 Page: 383 Cross Reference:
Cheers Kerri
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AuntySherlock
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28 Jul 2009 21:43 |
Not sure what to think of this death notice in SA newspaper but I think that this is Sarah's...
The Advertiser; Thursday 25 April 1907 BALCHIN.-On the 13th April, at her daugh- ter's residence, Murray Bridge, Sarah Matthews, relict of the late James Balchin. Kangarilla, in her 88th year, leaving 2 sons. 5 daughters, 47 grand children, 28 great-grandchildren. A colonist of 65 years. At rest. Melbourne papers please copy.
Went looking again for missing children but no more came up.Perhaps they were not registered. A few marriages later with father as James Balchin- so with some work they could be found.
Sounds like some family were living in Victoria-"Melbourne papers please copy"
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AuntySherlock
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28 Jul 2009 22:29 |
Just put Balchin in the Victorian BDM historical search. Came up with 103 matches or 6 pages. Here is the web site. It will cost a couple of pounds for you to look at the pages. It is not expensive.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria
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LadyKira
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29 Jul 2009 00:29 |
Wow thanks everyone.
I had no luck at Stow in the Wold today. The librarians were unfriendly and did not know where there own things were. The fiche drawer was unlabelled and useless. I am going to have to enquire at Gloucester archives on line. I did get to visit Aston blank today which is where Hester was born.
Back to Thomas
I have the date of his christening and have put his Dob as approximately 06/07/1782.
"1819 admitted to Gloucester prison farm labourer aged 24. Sentenced in August of that year and deported for life on the ship Neptune ! to New South Wales in Australia." comes from the book
Perhaps the author of the book misread the records? I have been given his phone number .
I can see that Bragginton becomes Brassington by someone readind the records as opposed to hearing the name and writing it down. Brassington is also a name in use though.
This is the census info for Thomas son Samuel Samuel first married Deborah unknown then Mary Gregory
1841 Address: Horne House, Evenlode 1411 BRAG, Saml M 29 Worcestershire 1411 BRAG, Mary F 29 Worcestershire 1411 BRAG, Robt M 8 Worcestershire 1411 BRAG, Charles M 6 Worcestershire 1411 BRAG, Rebecca F 3 1411 BRAG, Georgiena F 1
1851 Stow on the Wold census 131 sheep street BRAGINTON Samuel 44 Labourer Evenlode Mary 40 Evenlode Robert 18 Labourer Evenlode Charles 15 Labourer Evenlode Georgiana 10 Scholar Evenlode Josiah 9 Scholar Evenlode Thomas 6 Scholar Evenlode Sarah 4 Scholar Evenlode John 3 Scholar Evenlode
1861 age 49 ag lab 1861 Address: Parsonage, Evenlode BRAGGINTON, Samuel Head Married M 49 Ag Lab Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGGINTON, Mary Ann Wife Married F 49 Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGGINTON, Thomas Son Unmarried M 17 Ag Lab Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGGINTON, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 15 Scholar Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGGINTON, John Son M 13 Agricultural Labourer Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGGINTON, Caroline Daughter F 6 Scholar Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGGINTON, Simieon Son M 4 Scholar Evenlode Worcestershire
1871 Address: Cottage, Evenlode BRAGINTON, Samuel Head M 60 Worcestershire BRAGINTON, Sarah Daughter F 24 Worcestershire BRAGINTON, John Son M 22 Worcestershire
Mary is with daughter Georgiana in Rotherhithe with her newborn baby.
Samuel has a sister Sarah already mentioned and 2 brothers Richard one who dies in infancy and this one
1841 Address: Bridge, Brailes BRAGGANTON, Richard M 20 1821 BRAGGANTON, Jemima F 25 1816 Warwickshire REED, Henry M 6 1835 REED, Frederick M 4 1837
1851 age 32 ag lab Evenlode 1861 age 45 ag lab Evenlode transcribed as Bryanston wife Frances( Jemima) and visitor Chandle but should be Randall on Findmypast (I know who these are) 1861 Address: Evenlode BRYANSTON, Richard Head Married M 43 1818 Ag Lab Evenlode Worcestershire BRYANSTON, Frances Wife Married F 47 1814 Evenlode Worcestershire BRYANSTON, Mary Ann Daughter F 12 1849 Scholar Evenlode Worcestershire BRYANSTON, Caleb Son M 10 1851 Agricultural Labourer Evenlode Worcestershire BRYANSTON, Ele Son M 8 1853 Scholar Evenlode Worcestershire BRYANSTON, William Son M 6 1855 Scholar Evenlode Worcestershire CHANDLE, Frank Visitor M 5 1856 Scholar Welford Worcestershire
1871 Address: Cottage, Evenlode BRAGINTON, Richard Head M 54 Worcestershire BRAGINTON, Jemima Wife F 58 Warwickshire BRAGINTON, Elizabeth Daughter F 26 Worcestershire BRAGINTON, Mary Ann Daughter F 22 Worcestershire
1881 Evenlode BRAGGINGTON, Richard Head Married M 61 1820 Labourer Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGGINGTON, Jemmia Wife Married F 68 1813 Wife Staunton Warwickshire BRAGGINGTON, Mary A Daughter Single F 25 1856 Evenlode Worcestershire
1891 widower age 73 ag lab living with daughter Julia Jacques and husband Address: Village, Evenlode JACQUES, James Head Married M 46 1845 Agricultural Labourer Evenlode Worcestershire JACQUES, Julia Wife Married F 40 1851 Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGMAN, Richard Father In Law Widower M 73 1818 Formerly Agricultural Labourer Evenlode Worcestershire
Brailles is another small village close to where Jemima was born
This is definitely thenot correct Sarah as we now know my Sarah was not the one in Australia but I will pass it on. The Advertiser; Thursday 25 April 1907 BALCHIN.-On the 13th April, at her daugh- ter's residence, Murray Bridge, Sarah Matthews, relict of the late James Balchin. Kangarilla, in her 88th year, leaving 2 sons. 5 daughters, 47 grand children, 28 great-grandchildren. A colonist of 65 years. At rest. Melbourne papers please copy
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LadyKira
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29 Jul 2009 00:30 |
This one is Samuel's son
1851 Stow on the Wold census 131 BRAGINTON Samuel 44 Labourer Evenlode Mary 40 Evenlode Robert 18 Labourer Evenlode Charles 15 Labourer Evenlode Georgiana 10 Scholar Evenlode Josiah 9 Scholar Evenlode Thomas 6 Scholar Evenlode Sarah 4 Scholar Evenlode John 3 Scholar Evenlode
1861 Address: Parsonage, Evenlode BRAGGINTON, Samuel Head Married M 49 1812 Ag Lab Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGGINTON, Mary Ann Wife Married F 49 1812 Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGGINTON, Thomas Son Unmarried M 17 1844 Ag Lab Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGGINTON, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 15 1846 Scholar Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGGINTON, John Son M 13 1848 Agricultural Labourer Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGGINTON, Caroline Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGGINTON, Simieon Son M 4 1857 Scholar Evenlode Worcestershire
1871 Address: New Street (Osbourn Buildings), Aston BRAGINGTON, Thomas Head M 26 1845 Worcestershire BRAGINGTON, Emily E Wife F 20 1851 Staffordshire
1881 Address: Moor End Green, Aston BRAGINGTON, Thomas Head Married M 35 1846 Farm Labr Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGINGTON, Emily E Wife Married F 30 1851 Lichfield Staffordshire BRAGINGTON, Thomas J Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar Bham Warwickshire BRAGINGTON, Rosa Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar Erdington Warwickshire BRAGINGTON, Herbert Son Single M 3 1878 Erdington Warwickshire BRAGINGTON, Sarah L Daughter Single F 1 1880 Perry Barr Staffordshire
1891 Address: 1, The Firs, Moor End Lane, Aston, Erdington BRAGINGTON, Thomas Head Married M 45 Carter Evenlode Worcestershire BRAGINGTON, Emily Wife Married F 40 Lichfield Staffordshire BRAGINGTON, Thomas J Son Single M 17 Warehouseman Nechells Warwickshire BRAGINGTON, Herbert Son Single M 13 Errand Boy Erdington Warwickshire BRAGINGTON, Sarah Daughter F 11 Scholar Perry Barr Staffordshire BRAGINGTON, Emily Daughter F 8 Scholar Erdington Warwickshire BRAGINGTON, William G Son M 7 Scholar Erdington Warwickshire BRAGINGTON, Elsie Daughter F 5 Scholar Erdington Warwickshire BRAGINGTON, Simeon Son M 2 Erdington Warwickshire
1901 Address: 27, Moor End Lane, Erdington BRAGGINGTON, Thomas Head Widower M 55 1846 Drainer Evenlode Gloucestershire VIEW BRAGGINGTON, Rosa Daughter Single F 25 1876 Erdington Warwickshire VIEW BRAGGINGTON, Herbert Son Single M 23 1878 Carter Erdington Warwickshire VIEW BRAGGINGTON, Emily Daughter Single F 19 1882 Erdington Warwickshire VIEW BRAGGINGTON, William Son Single M 17 1884 Clerk Erdington Warwickshire VIEW BRAGGINGTON, Elsie Daughter Single F 15 1886 Erdington Warwickshire VIEW BRAGGINGTON, Simeon Son M 12 1889 Erdington Warwickshire VIEW BRAGGINGTON, Bernard Son M 9 1892 Erdington Warwickshire
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LadyKira
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29 Jul 2009 00:37 |
this is what is on family search
Thomas Braggington Pedigree Male Family
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: About 1779 Of Wenlode, , Worcester, England Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: Hester Collett Family License: 28 OCT 1804 Aston Blank, Gloucester, England License: 28 OCT 1804 Aston Blank, Gloucester, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant, shown as the heir, family representative, or relative. The original records are not indexed, and you may have to look at the film frame-by-frame to find the information you want. A family group record for this couple may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section. (See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.) These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Film Number: 458041 Page Number: Reference number: THOS BRAGINGTON Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 06 JUL 1782 Evenlode, Gloucester, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JOSEPH BRAGINGTON Family Mother: MARY
THOMAS BRAGGINGTON Pedigree Male Family
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: HESTER COLLETT Family Marriage: 28 OCT 1804 Aston Blank, Gloucester, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M026782
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Kerri
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29 Jul 2009 01:15 |
1. Thomas BRAGINGTON chr abt 17 Jan 1796 Ashburton, Devon, England s/o William BRAGINGTON/Elizabeth [IGI Batch C050201 extracted from parish records] Poss Thomas Mathew BRAGINTON m 14 Mar 1820 Saint Olave, Exeter, Devon England, Elizabeth TICKELL [IGI Batch M050491 extracted from parish records]
Who is this Sarah BRAGINTON who was born in Cornwall abt 1822 and emigrated to Australia in 1844? Her marriage in 1849 in South Australia to James BALCHIN was witnessed by John and Elizabeth SCOWN. Further evidence of a family connection is the fact that her death notice in the Adelaide Chronicle in 1907 gave her name as Sarah Matthews BALCHIN. Perhaps she was a child of Thomas BRAGINGTON and therefore a niece of Susanna Dinnis. Or ... if Sarah was a child of Susanna born out of wedlock this could explain why Susanna did not marry until she was 36 years of age.
John BALCHIN m 1848 Sarah BRAGINTON 2. Susanna Dinnis BRAGINGTON chr 2 Sep 1798 Ashburton, Devon, England d/o William BRAGINGTON/Elizabeth [IGI Batch C050201 extracted from parish records] Susan SCOWN d 25 Mar 1878 aged 89 yrs Deep Lead, Shire of Stawell, Victoria, Australia d/o William BRAGENTON, Soldier, and Elizabeth ms MATTHEWS [Vic Index 3966] Susanna Dinnis BRAGINTON m 7 Oct 1832 St Mary Magdalene, Launceston, Cornwall, John SCOWN [entry no 306] John and Susannah SCOWN and their two daughters Elizabeth Jane and Mary Ann arrived in Adelaide, South Australia on 13 Dec 1840 aboard the Royal Admiral. Four years later they were joined in South Australia by 22 yr-old Sarah BRAGINTON and witnessed her marriage in 1849. The connection is not yet known.
John SCOWN m 1832 Susanna Dinnis BRAGINTON 3. Elizabeth BRAGINGTON chr 1 Mar 1801 Ashburton, Devon, England d/o William BRAGINGTON/Elizabeth [IGI Batch C050201 extracted from parish records]
4. Sarah BRAGINGTON chr 27 Feb 1803 Ashburton, Devon, England d/o William BRAGINGTON/Elizabeth [IGI Batch C050201 extracted from parish records] Sarah BRAGINGTON d 11 Jan 1818 (aged abt 15 yrs) Ashburton, Devon, England d/o William BRAGINGTON/Elizabeth [IGI Batch C050201 extracted from parish records]
5. William BRAGINGTON chr 4 May 1806 Ashburton, Devon, England s/o William BRAGINGTON/Elizabeth [IGI Batch C050201 extracted from parish records]
http://users.ncable.net.au/~jburrell/gen/scown/bal_bra2.html
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LadyKira
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29 Jul 2009 01:53 |
Well that puts the cat amonst the pigeons. I was contacted by someone convinced her Sarah was the one born Evenlode. I had presumed but not confirmed her dead by 1841. I had not found her in 1841 although she had not departed for Australia. A death would confirm she is not the Evenlode one. I think there are connections to the Devon Braggintons but I am not convinced that some of the trees out there are correct.
So Sarah was not looking for her father, In fact I think now it is highly likely she died as she is not in 1841 census.
A relative of the Sarah that married Balchin had contacted us saying she was born Evenlode but it seems she was mistaken so I have removed the Balchins from my tree.
So just Thomas,
I asked to meet up with the author of the book this week but he made it clear he was busy.I need to know his sources.
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LadyKira
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29 Jul 2009 02:08 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SARAH BRAGGINTON Pedigree Female
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 12 JUN 1814 Evenlode, Gloucester, England Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: THOMAS BRAGGINTON Family Mother: ESTHER
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C025423 1737 - 1875 0991293 Film 6901084 Film Sheet: 00
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LadyKira
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29 Jul 2009 14:50 |
International Genealogical Index - British Isles 1. Thomas Braggington - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Birth: About 1779 Of Wenlode, , Worcester, England 2. THOS BRAGINGTON - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Christening: 06 JUL 1782 Evenlode, Gloucester, England This is my Thomas Bragginton at Evenlode
Julies death fits in with this one
Death... Reg.No./Year .. 5767/1858 Name .. BRAGGINTON THOMAS AGE 80 YEARS DIED WINDSOR District .. WINDSOR
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29 Jul 2009 15:04 |
THOMAS BRAGGINGTON Pedigree Male
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 06 APR 1844 Evenlode, Gloucester, England
Death: Burial:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: SAMUEL BRAGGINGTON Family Mother: MARY
1881
Thomas BRAGINGTON Head M Male 35 Evenlode, Worcester, England Farm Labr Emily E. BRAGINGTON Wife M Female 30 Lichfield, Stafford, England Thomas J. BRAGINGTON Son Male 7 Bham, Warwick, England Scholar Rosa BRAGINGTON Daur Female 5 Erdington, Warwick, England Scholar Herbert BRAGINGTON Son Male 3 Erdington, Warwick, England Sarah L. BRAGINGTON Daur Female 1 Perry Barr, Stafford, England
This Thomas is the grandson of convict Thomas and son of Samuel.
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LadyKira
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29 Jul 2009 15:34 |
1819 admitted to Gloucester prison farm labourer aged 24. Sentenced in August of that year and deported for life on the ship Neptune 1 to New South Wales in Australia
This info comes from the book about Evenlode. His age is wrong but there are no other Thomas braggintons in Evenlode at the time.
Thomas's father was Joseph Bragginton born c1750 ELIZABETH PERCOCKS Family Marriage: 06 JUL 1766 Evenlode, Gloucester, England
Marriages: Spouse: MARY PRICE Family Marriage: 22 SEP 1777 Evenlode, Gloucester, England
All his siblings were girls
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