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Hey Angela.

What a lovely end to the whole saga.

It does pay to be patient.... it seems weird that only a year ago we had to trawl the pages to find answers, today that would be a 5 minute job!

The internet is a wonderful thing!!

It was my absolute pleasure to help you, i'm pleased to outcome has been what you wanted.

Tracey x

I thought a thank you for everybodys help would be nice.

After all the work that was put in to find my nan's death I found where she was buried, on going to the cemetery not only was she there but altogether 5 members of the family.

With the help of Genes I have found so much more than I was looking for.

Keep up the good work

Angela

Tracey

I will certainly be back to you when the cert arrives.

God bless you

Angela

It's my absolute pleasure.... this is what we are all here for, finding answers!

I seem to be very good at finding everyone else's and unable to find my own rellies...

...it's very strange how families go, maybe the shame of the divorce made her reclusive, there are many many stories of the shame this kinda of thing involved. She probably just couldn't cope?

I'm really pleased you have some more answers, sorry if thats upset you in some way.... but now you are a little closer to finding out why and how....

....the intreguing thing will be who recorded her death??...maybe there are more secrets to be found?


Tracey xx

Hello Tracey

I cannot believe it, I started looking for her 5 years ago when I started my tree.

I have just phoned my younger brother who was in the home with me.

Do you realise it means that she was still alive when we were born, me in 1952 and him in 1955.

I have to tell you I have just sat here blubbing my eyes out.

I really, really don't know how to thank you enough.

I am going to order the cert and see whats on it.

thank you, thank you Angela

So it looks like she never remarried afterall......

Tracey x

Guess what i have????

I have found Eva's death.....!!!

Eva W S H Whelan, 78, Paddington, 5d 162, 1Q 1960

Tracey x

Just checked my dads wedding cert and he was still at 8 St. Mary's Road so that is 1/9/1935.

No death under the name Eva Whelan upto 1952 now.

Tracey x

Thank you, its good to have a pair of eyes that not only know what they are doing but don't get hung up on all the family names that you stumble across and then go off on a different path.

Angela

OK,

No death for Eva from 1922 thru to 1942....

I would suggest if she died early her son would have registered the death under the name Whelan, as he would have known her.... I cannot find a death of any Eva (except a 1 yr old!)

So she either died after 1942 or she remarried... i shall hunt forwards and see what i can find.

It's all about going from what you know to be certain (thats she was alive in 1916 when she divorced Leonard) and then trying to disprove theories (that she may have been alive at your father wedding in 1936, or that she remarried)...

Hopefully we will find the truth!

Regards

Tracey x

Tracey
That has never ever crossed my mind, I had always been led to believe that she was still alive when my father got married in 1936.

I grew up in a childrens home so know very little about my fathers family.

All I had at the beginning was my father was born in Calcutta so my tree of 298 names is not bad me thinks. Although I have to say that a very good person who my grandfather bigamously married her grandmother has helped me enormously.

I am now going to have to go off and have a think about what you have said.

Thank you Angela

I have now just completed a search for a death of an Eva Whelan from 1932 to 1942 and there is nothing there, something gives me the impression she may have died before her daughter?

In 1932 she'd have been 51? maybe something happened to her?


Tracey x

Ever been called an 'angel'.

The form I downloaded goes to an address in York I hope I have done it right.

angela

OK, found this for you...

The National Probate Calendar
There is a detailed index to wills, called the National Probate Calendar, up to the year 1943 which is more widely available. This gives the date and place of death, and usually more information as well, including the address fo the deceased and the value of the estate. It can be seen on microfiche or microfilm, at:

The National Archives
Society of Genealogists
Guildhall Library, London

Calendars may be inspected and copies ordered at any of the offices shown below.

Birmingham : The Priory Courts, 33 Bull Street, B4 6DU
Tel 0121 681 3400

Brighton : William Street, BN2 0RF
Tel 01273 573510

Bristol : The Crescent Centre, Temple Back,BS1 6EP
Tel 0117 927 3915

Cardiff : 3rd Floor, Fitzalan Place, Cardiff CF24 0RZ
Tel 029 2047 4373

Ipswich : Ground Floor, 8 Arcade Street, Ipswich, IP1 1EJ
Tel 01473 284 260

Leeds : 3rd Floor, Coronet House, Queen Street, LS1 2BA
Tel 0113 386 3540

Liverpool : Queen Elizabeth II Law Courts, Derby Square, L2 1XA
Tel 0151 236 8264

London : Principal Registry of the Family Division, First Avenue House, 42 - 49 High Holborn, London WC1V 6NP
Tel 020 7947 6043/6939

Manchester : Ground Floor, Civil Justice Centre, 1 Bridge Street West, PO Box 4240, Manchester M60 1WJ
Tel 0161 240 5700

Newcastle Upon Tyne : 1 Waterloo Square, Newcastle Upon Tyne NE1 4AL
Tel 0191 211 2170

Oxford : Oxford Combined Court Building, St. Aldates, Oxford. OX1 1LY
Tel 01865 793055

Winchester : 4th Floor, Cromwell House, Andover Road, SO23 7EW
Tel 01962 897024


Hope this helps a little

Tracey x

Yes I see what you mean.

I hope there is a will for Annie and if so went to Eva then I will know if she had stayed as Whelan by 1928.

I will come back to you and let you know when I have any further news.

Thank you for everything today

Angela

Well she obviously felt some link to him to add the Haydon name to her own upon her marriage, a name not included on her birth record?

I do wonder if she stayed eternally single, if she had a disasterous marriage she may have decided not to bother again.

There is also the stigma of being a divorcee, while in todays society it's commonplace, back then again it was an enormous stigma to deal with....


Tracey x

Hello Tracey

India is where my father, grandfather and numerous others were born.
The link is on Leonard's side (her husband)

Eva's father did work and spent a lot of time in Africa but I haven't been able to find anything in that direction and also she did put 'Simpson' as the middle name of her daughter which was her mothers 2nd marriage

I don't know how much contact there was with her father George Haydon Bennet.

Thanks Angela

Hey Angela,

Another question.... where does the india link come in?

Could Eva have gone back there?


Tracey x

Hi Tracey

I can see what you are saying I rightly or wrongly thought maybe she was too upset to register the death, Annie was only 18 years old when she died.

I have just downloaded a form and I am going to see if there is a will for Eva's mother, Annie, not so bad its only £5. I have to pay £18 for docs from India.

Thanks Angela