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Welcome to the boards Jean.

As you can see from the above postings this thread was posted in 2009 and the person whose it is may not be looking now.

I am sure there are people on these boards who may be able to help

I have to go out a little later but may be able to come back to this thread. I have the dentists.

I am also stuck with George. Researching for a friend who's Grandmother was the last born, Caroline Jessica Rosina Olive. these are my notes.
5th January 1873 the Banns were read for George Olive and Secilia Howes at Hoxton St Johns but no marriage took place !!!!
Instead on 15th December 1875 Cecilia married William Thomas Maynard at Bethnal Green St Thomas. (7 months pregnant)
Daughter Esther Maynard Born 06/04/1875 and Baptised 23/04/1875 Hoxton St Mary.
Daughter Hannah Celia Maynard born 1877.

1881 census shows both children living with their grandparents Edward and Hannah Howes.
Where is Cecilia and William or George Olive?? (George possibly living with an Elizabeth and visitor Elizabeth Meredith aged 9).

1891 census Celia is living with George Olive (who the Banns were read with before her marriage) and states married but no marriage found and presumably she is still married to William Maynard. Hannah aged 12 is under the name Howes but Esther had died in 1883.
George and Celia have Sarah 3, Mary Ann 2 and George 1.
1901 census shows the family living at 60 Ely Place Shoreditch.
Sarah, Mary Ann, George, Albert, Harry/Henry, Caroline J.

Hannah Maynard marries Henry Charles King. Her father is stated as William Maynard deceased. Her address given is 60 Ely Place Hoxton as per 1901 census for George and Cecilia.

1911 census shows George and Cecilia as being married 25 years 8 children 2 died and 6 alive. No marriage found though. (1 child died was Esther who was the other?)
Sarah (married ?) George, Mary Ann, Albert, Harry, Caroline.

All the children were baptised in 1900 (maybe because parents not married).
:-S

looking at details it might fit for earlier census showing mary ann as georges mother as he named one of his children mary ann. Julia

sorry left work just got home and looking up thread thanks for your efforts how come so many different names are on same idex number for marriages. sorry not been doing this enough to find out all secrets of index look ups.. julia

Poss birth for George.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about George Olive
Name: George Olive
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 3
Page: 285

I posted what I thought was George's birth before but here it is again.

Could tie in with the 1861 census Mel found, however 1 male is missing!!!

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1862 (>99%)
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Batty Eliza Marylebone 1a 756
BEAL Sarah Ann Marylebone 1a 756
Olive Mary Ann Marylebone 1a 756 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Rice Edward Marylebone 1a 756
Tame William Marylebone 1a 756

Hi Julia,

Only the birth certificates will give you the parents names......... death certs only give you basic info; name, age, address and the person who registered the deaths name.

I have just remembered that I have'nt fed my chickens!!!!!!! Got so engrossed....................................................

Better go and do them!!

I wonder?????????????????????????????????????

This family the mother is a Widow on this census.

1861 England Census
about George Olive
Name: George Olive
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 443
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Olive 30
Thomas Olive 9
Emily Olive 7
George Olive 3

Hi Mel,

Good to ahve you back, mine all watered and fed now too. Think this is the Merediths;

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Meredith
Name: Elizabeth Meredith
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Wm
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Hoxton, London, England

Civil parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Hoxton St Andrew
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Meredith 63
Ann Meredith 61
Elizabeth Meredith 19

thanks for all your help i will have to spend some money and apply for birth certificate and death cert. of george so i can get parents details. I think from all this info they were both married before and just called themselves married. would explain different surnames, just put me off scent when there were 2 celia howes. thanks everyone for help Julia

I'm still trying Julia!!!!!

thanks hannah celia maynard i think is cecilia s daughter shown as hannan olive. Will probably have to send for birth certificate for her but its still george olive i have no joy on Julia

Poss birth for George.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about George Olive
Name: George Olive
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 3
Page: 285

RIGHT found him on the 1881 census a Boot Finisher with wife Eliza and sister aged 9 to the head of the house transcribed as Visitor.

1881 England Census
about Geo. Olive
Name: Geo. Olive
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Leonards Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 3 Parker St.
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Boot Finisher

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Geo. Olive 29
Eliza Olive 24
Elizabeth Meredith 9

Sorry to leave you to it Dee but I had to feed OH and mum.

CELIA HOWES Pedigree
Female
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Event(s):
Birth: 09 JAN 1854

Christening: 29 JAN 1854 Saint Thomas Chartrhouse, Finsbury, London, England

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Parents:
Father: EDWARD HOWES Family
Mother: HANNAH

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.
HENRY JAMES HOWES Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 08 MAR 1852

Christening: 29 JAN 1854 Saint Thomas Chartrhouse, Finsbury, London, England


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Parents:
Father: EDWARD HOWES Family
Mother: HANNAH


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

Is this his death??

Deaths Sep 1927 (96%)
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Olive George H 74 Shoreditch 1c 70

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about George Olive
Name: George Olive
Year of Registration: 1851
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Islington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 3
Page: 285

????????????

Hi Julia,

I think that both of them had been married before, divorce would have been too expensive........ so that left no other option than just to live together as husband and wife, this was common practice back then.

George is very difficult to trace prior to 1881, his mother may well have married after his birth so he would probably use that surname until he came to marry.

I would hazard a guess that he is the one in 1881 married to Eliza though, same area, same occupation, just haven't found a marriage.

Dee x

Someone else researching on Ancestry;

Name: Hannah Celia Maynard
Birth: Abt 1878 - London, England
Marriage: 1895 - London, England
Spouse: Henry/Harry Hyams

thanks for your details. I think its the right celia or cecilia but no marriage to george olive or any previous record of george. I was a bit worried if the right marriage to maynard as there is a celia and william maynard on the 1901 census living in kent so completely muddled! thanks for any help Julia