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thank you Christine , will check that census
late now so will check theads again in the morning..off to bed
cindy

Hi Cindy,

I haven't been able to identify a birth but the address they gave on their marriage cert comes up on an address search on 1911 census.

24 CARMEN ST POPLAR Poplar Borough Poplar London

It could be worth viewing the transcription to see if there were any family members living with him.

Christine

looked from 1886 - 1890...unless i have overlooked it
Hello again Dea, thank you June..hopefully this is now the correct way of posting

having difficulties tracing birth record for Thomas, have searched records but just cant find. grateful for help

nudge

Dea
I am stunned at what you have found, i assume as you get used to searching it becomes easier. To me alot of it is hard to tie together at the moment, and because i wanted so much to find him etc i couldnt find him. i am aware it is probably easy to get mis-leads and how easy it could be to make them fit, but i couldnt even get that far. I also made the mistake of assuming, records are always correct.
My mum has never known aything except the snippits i gave you about her father so it is, for us a huge thing. thank you.
i will be on line again your a.m if you are around
Cindy x

Hi Cindy,

It's just a matter of 'plodding' through the census's I am afraid.

On this occasion, I took the family who I think is the one on 1891.

I couldn't find them together on 1901 so looked at each of the children's names individually.

I found Robert with the Jones's and noticed that there was a William also but the age was wrong so I went back to 1891 to check image and realised that it was mistranscribed as age 4 when it actually said 11 !! - This then fitted.

I think I have Arthur also - he is with a family in Chester but I don't think they are at all related - the family also have another child boarding with them so perhaps they are just 'carers' of some sort/?? :

1901 England Census
about Arthur Knott
Name: Arthur Knott
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil parish: Chester
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England


Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Chester Castle
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Household Members: Name Age
George Bartley 30 salop Nursery Gardener
Sarah A Bartley 31 salop
Lilian E Bartley 7 chester
Ethel E Bartley 1 chester
Arthur Knott 14 Boarder - Errand Boy at Port - worker
Reginald Sproston 4 - Boarder b Chester


***** DONT think they are at all related !!

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3370; Folio: 101; Page: 19.

...........

I think Jane may have married but may have to leave that one until tomorrow. - You could see if you can find one on FreeBmd?

I personally find the Ancestry site best for census info and it is much better value than any other site I have found.

Best of luck,

Dea x


P.S.

Sadly, I think Jane may have died:

Deaths Jun 1897 ?????
Knott Jane 15 Hackney 1b 278


Dea x

Well its 1.15 in the morning here now, i dont want to but i really must go to bed...once again my email is [email protected] and i will start checking threads as soon as i get up, about mid night your time..
Thank you to everyone for your help x

Dea. refering to your 14.40 posting why would william Knott aged 4 be 11 on image?

Dea
i keep saying thank you, but i am so amazed how you guys piece all this together, i am fairly new to it all, (we never would have guessed :-)
and kind of muddle thro. the sites i use are freeBDM, genes gold member but get lost on the BDM listings cos they dont say who married who.and family search and the deaths/births again to me are just lists.
can i ask where you search.and how did you tie the brothers together....confused of Adelaide (but oh so keen to learn)

Joan
Thats so good of you. i dont know where he was orphaned to mum just says that the records got burnt, but as i say i dont know if they did or she was just told that.
I would really appreciate if you could go, when convenient of course, may i leave my email addy [email protected] I assume thats ok on here.i will check daily tho

These are two of Thomas's brothers on 1901
1901 England Census
about Robert Knott
Name: Robert Knott
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England



Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green, East
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members: Name Age
George C Jones 37
Elizabeth Jones 32
Kate Jones 10
Elizabeth Jones 8
George Jones 6
Frederick Jones 3
***William Knott 19 visitor Lamp Glass Blower
***Robert Knott 16 visitor

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 295; Folio: 10; Page: 12.

.....................

There 'may' be a connection through one of George Knox's marriages to the name Jones ?

It looks as though poor George was widdowed more than once but I need to follow this
through before I post the info - I do not want to confuse with the wrong info!!

Will work on it!

Dea x

Hi,
Bromley east London at that time would have been middlesex, and the church may have been St Paul's on the Common, (my grandparents were married there) also what orphanage are you talking about, I often go to the archives at Northampton Row and they if anyone would know what happened to the records cant go till the school hols though.
Regards Joan.

P.S any thoughts on why DOB so many years out from wedding cert?

Gosh i am sooo excited, thank you to everyone who has helped and DEA, an EXTRA THANK YOU!, i am actually living in Australia at the moment so its getting late, i have to go collect my daughter from her work shortly but will check out threads when get back, and before bed...again in the morning...thank you everyone...keep posting this is huge

DEA thats him thank you.....mum said he had a brother BOB...Robert??.i think we may be getting closer thank you so much

taking that into acct there was a post made earlier by ChristineinPortugal, which could tie in..mum said that the records from the orphanage burnt..i always thought it was a story..but, if they did, COULD? his carers have guessed his dob for their records not actually asking Thomas? hense being wrong...just a thought

It needs more work to prove it but I believe this is 'your' Thomas on 1891
- all the children seem to scatter after this census and I have followed a few but can't do
more until later so I will post it and perhaps someone could follow the links?

1891 England Census
about Thomas Knott
Name: Thomas Knott
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, London, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Lukes Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Knott 49 Glass manufacturer
James Knott 19
William Knott 4 ......... He is 11 on image !!!
Jame Knott 9 .............. JANE on image - daughter.
Robert Knott 7
Thomas Knott 5
Arthur Knott 4

at 26 St. Anne's Rd.

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 312; Folio 56; Page 24; GSU roll: 6095422.

I don't know London but there is a Thomas on 1911 who is a Bread Baker - born Hackney?? c 1887

Will try to get back later .

Dea x

thank you jill
That makes sense,i shall search wider, i believe some people did tell porkies' at that time :-)

Going by his age (assuming he wasn't telling porkies and was 21) and the date of the marriage - he could have been born anytime between 16 April 1889 and 14 April 1891.

Not sure if that will help but you may possibly need to search a wider time period for a possible birth.

Jill