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Ehel's birth index then
Name: Ethel May Pomeroy
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Gloucester (1837-1937)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 315

1901 census for her?
THE RAILWAY SERVANTS ORPHANAGE
Name: Ethel May Pomeroy
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Orphan
Gender: Female
Where born: Uncertain
Civil parish: Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England



Not sure about mothers details as census seems to fit the family and that is the only one for the marriage index.

In search trees a Victor has Ralph in his family . Are you in touch with him?

looks like Edwin married one of these Elizabeths so not a Dyke there either
Marriages Dec 1852
JOB Elizabeth Colebert Taunton 5c 718
MACEY Elizabeth Taunton 5c 718
Roberts Edwin Taunton 5c 718
WOODFORD William Taunton 5c 718

Hi jansmith
Yes, I've contacted Victor. Our info is the same.
Ethel Pomeroy is more confusing.
I have another Ethel Pomeroy b 1892 Jan-Mar Reading(1837-1974) Berkshire Vol 2c Page 361.
In the 1891 Census Arthur and Cecilia and 2 boys were living in South Hamlet, Gloucester. I don't know in which month the Census happened. This could match with the birth of Ethel May Pomeroy
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Gloucester (1837-1937)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 315
However, Arthur died 25 Dec 1892 in Reading, Bershire Vol 2c Page 237.
If they had moved to Reading after the date of the 1891 Census, then the later Ethel, born in Reading in 1892 would be the correct one.
Arthur worked for over 20 years for the Great Western Railways and at the time of his death was an Agent for GWR in Reading.
This could tie up with the earlier Ethel May being in a Railway Servant's Orphanage. On the other hand, her mother, Cecilia was still alive, so why would her daughter be in an orphanage?
Confusion reigns !
Meanwhile, I'm going to try to digest all the info on Cecelia.
Thanks
Martin

1891 census took place 5th & 6th of April- so either Ethel birth could fit.

Martin, just curious, do you know why they went to South Africa?

Thanks Helen
I don't know whether my Ethel had the middle name of May, so I'm still confused about Ethel unless I get a Birth Cert.
Ralph Alan Pomeroy was 14 when his father died, so he had to start work (not uncommon for boys to work at 14 in those days). He got a job at his father's company Great Western Railways in Reading. He became an Accountant and in 1896 at the age of 18, he was sent by the GWR to join the newly established Cape Government Railways in what was then the Cape Colony. When the Union of South Africa was formed in 1910, it became the South African Railways and Harbours. He worked there as an Accountant until he retired in the 1940's. His younger brother and sister settled in Cape Town some years later.

Cecilia- my assessment so far
Fact 1 Cecilia was born in Oswestry confirmed in the following: 1861 Census Celilia Anna Roberts (4) living in Bedfordshire 1871 Census Cecilia A Roberts (13) living in Taunton 1881 Census Cecila Pomeroy (23) living in Haverfordwest
St Thomas,Pembroke 1891 Census Cecelia Annie Pomeroy (33) living in Gloucester 1901 Census Cecilia A Pomeroy (43) living in Coulsdon, Croydon Fact 2 Dec 1877 Cecelia Anne Roberts (19) married Arthur Shubrook Pomeroy in Taunton Vol 5c p 630 Fact 3 1911 Census C F Pomerey (54) living at Wallingford Berkshire (as Widow) Fact 4 June 1941 Cecilia Pomeroy (84) died at Wallingford, Berkshire 2c 740 Fact 5 Birth year was 1857 or 1858 according to above ages.
Birth found: Celia Anne Roberts b 1857 Apr-Jun Oswestry, Denbighshire, Shropshire Vol 6a Page 625. Is this her?
I must accept that her Maiden Name name was Cecilia Anne Roberts according to her Marriage record.
There are three unanswered questions: 1) There is no mention of her middle name Tryphena. 2) I still don't know where the name Dyke came from?Both of these names appear on her son Ralph Alan Pomeroy's Birth Cert. 3) The name Anne doesn't appear on the Birth Cert.
So, do any of you experts out there have any more ideas.
Thanks for your great efforts
Martin

Hello Martin,

No thoughts yet, but I think the next step would be to order the Pomeroy/ Roberts marriage certificate.

The birth for Celia Anne Roberts does seem to be the most likely possibly- although on the hand written indexes it looks like Celia Anna.

Re the marriage of Cecilia's parents in Dec 1852:

MACEY Elizabeth Taunton 5c 718
Roberts Edwin Taunton 5c 718

Following Elizabeth back to 1851, she is Elizabeth Macey


Keep us posted- gripping stuff!!

I still can't shake this feeling that this birth is somehow connected. Tryphena Dyke doesn't seem to be a name she'd have plucked out of thin air!

Tryphena Dyke
Year of Registration: 1857 : Apr-May-Jun
District: Wincanton
County: Dorset, Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 571

Going out for a bit- I'll have a think and check back in later.

Helen
All the census records confirm Cecilia's birthplace as Oswestry. This seems quite far from Wincanton
Martin

OSWESTRY, Shropshire
"OSWESTRY, a parish, market town, and municipal borough in the Upper division of Oswestry hundred, county Salop, 18 miles N.W. of Shrewsbury, and 179 miles from London. It is a station on the Shrewsbury and Chester section of the Great Western railway, and on the Cambrian, Newtown, and Welsh Coast railway. It is one of the chief towns on the borders of Wales, and is situated on high ground on the main road from London to Holyhead."
[Description(s) from The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868)
Transcribed by Colin Hinson ©2003]

**Could this be the link?!***
Cecilia's older brother (Alan Randall Roberts) living with Tryphena 1881 census

Alan R. Roberts
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Tryphena
Gender: Male
Where born: Andover, Hampshire, England

Street address: 83 Broad Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Tobacconist

Registration district: Reading
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 1

Alan R. Roberts 25
Tryphena Roberts 25
Alan T.E. Roberts 4
Gertrude M. Roberts
Caroline Jerome 16

The marriage of Cecilia's brother:

Marriages Jun 1876
Dyke Tryphena Cardiff 11a 334
Roberts Alan Randall Cardiff 11a 334

I'm sure this is the link :))

passenger transcript details
Name: Ralph POMEROY
Date of departure: 19 May 1928
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: Round Voyage
Passenger destination: Round Voyage

Date of Birth: 1879 (calculated from age)
Age: 49
Marital status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Engineer
Passenger recorded on: Page 10 of 17





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Ursula POMEROY Page 10 of 17 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
ARCADIAN
124669
G F Huff
The Royal Mail Steam Packet Company
Mediterrenean

6891.51
415

passenger transcript details
Name: Ursula POMEROY
Date of departure: 19 May 1928
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: Round Voyage
Passenger destination: Round Voyage

Date of Birth: 1878 (calculated from age)
Age: 50
Marital status: Married
Sex: Female
Occupation:
Passenger recorded on: Page 10 of 17

passenger transcript details
Name: Ralph POMEROY
Date of departure: 6 May 1931
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: Round Voyage
Passenger destination: Round Voyage

Date of Birth: 1881 (calculated from age)
Age: 50
Marital status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Civ Engineer
Passenger recorded on: Page 8 of 10





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Ursula POMEROY Page 8 of 10 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
ATLANTIS
135497
B Shillitoe
The Royal Mail Steam Packet Company
Round Voyage

9037.03
204

He travelled several times then

passenger transcript details
Name: Mr Archibald W POMEROY
Date of departure: 27 August 1938
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Cape, South Africa
Passenger destination: Cape, South Africa

Date of Birth: 1880 (calculated from age)
Age: 58
Marital status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Civil Servant
Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 9





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Mrs Irene M POMEROY Page 2 of 9 View transcript



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Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
CERAMIC
135474
H C Elford
Shaw Savill & Albion Co. Ltd
Australia

11582
256

passenger transcript details
Name: Mrs Irene M POMEROY
Date of departure: 27 August 1938
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Cape, South Africa
Passenger destination: Cape, South Africa

Date of Birth: 1886 (calculated from age)
Age: 52
Marital status: Married
Sex: Female
Occupation: Home Duties
Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 9

Working on the principle that names were often handed down throgh generations and this is a more unusual one I thought this may be worth a look

1841 Address: Tedsmore, Felton, West, Tedsmore
ROBERTS, Peter M 30 1811
ROBERTS, Tryphena F 40 1801 Shropshire
ROBERTS, Edward M 10 1831 Shropshire
ROBERTS, Jonathan M 8 1833 Shropshire
ROBERTS, Thomas M 5 1836 Shropshire
ROBERTS, Richard M 3 1838 Shropshire
ROBERTS, William M 0 (9 months) 1841 Shropshire
PRICE, Jane F 22 1819
MORRIS, Ann F 14 1827
HUMPHRYS, Thomas M 40 1801 Shropshire
JOHNSON, William M 22 1819 Shropshire
PRITCHARD, William M 21 1820 Shropshire
WILLISON, Richard M 50 1791 Shropshire

This is in the registration district of Oswestry

I do not have 1851 to follow this through

Now that is interesting! Arthur and Cecelia's son Ralph Allan was born at 83 Broad St, St Mary's, Reading (on the Birth Cert) on 26 Dec 1878. In the 1881 Census they were living at Haverfordwest St Thomas, Pembroke where Arthur was a Station Master.
I haven't quite worked out the significance of this, but in 1878 the house must have been owned by Alan Roberts and Cecelia possibly went there to have her baby.
Needs a bit of thought.
Thanks -- Martin

Christine
Thanks for the Shipping info. I don't know about Ralph (Engineer) and Ursula Pomeroy, but "Archibald W POMEROY" is definitely Arthur and Cecilia's son and "Mrs Irene M POMEROY" is his wife. I only knew of her as "Rene". Their son Arthur Shubrook Pomeroy (named after his grandfather) as far as I know, was born in Cape Town in about 1909. So Archibald (and Irene?- I don't know her Maiden name or where they were married) must have emigrated to SA before 1909. The trip in 1938 was possibly to visit his mother, Cecilia.
Thanks -- Martin

Pomeroy is registered with the guild of one name studies

www.pomeroyfamilyhistory.com